VAIL SUCKS

[machski]

Also the convenience factor of not having to stand in understaffed long ass lines to buy day tickets

With RFID and best pricing online ahead of arriving, this is rapidly diminishing as a reason to go season pass. Even for the once I. A while folks, many resorts are pushing this info front and center. So the convenience of direct to lift is not just for the passholder anymore.

 

[ctdubl07]

"bacon in their pocket"....that made me laugh

On another Vail point, have they announced/updated any of their capital improvement projects?

Understanding the pandemic and cash flow has likely altered the schedule of these communications, I seem to recall that a big announcements would come out each year just post season or early summer about the coming years cap investments.

For example Im sure that many of the projects communicated in 2019 were derailed and not taken up in 2020....anyone see something I've missed?

thanks in advance.

 

[dblskifanatic]

Except 1 week isn't 4-5 days!

1 week is 5-7 days!!!

Who skis only 4 days in a week long trip? (serious question here, any of your family member of "less avid skiers" does less than 4 days? Don't forget, "average" of 4 days means lots of people ski LESS than 4)

No, I can't quite fathom. Why pay $600 for 6 days of skiing when you can pay $1000 for the same number of days? Because that $1000 can let you go anywhere out side of Vail empire!

Are people so focus on "saving" money that they would pay in advance, limiting themselves to a handful of destinations. And then not ski enough number of days to even make the pass "pay for itself"???

How much does "lost of opportunity" cost?

Many think differently than you or most of us for that matter! If you do not buy a pass and the pass deadline comes and goes then you are forced to pay daily window rates. I buy the Epic Veteran Pass at $447 if I vacation at Vail for a Saturday to Saturday both Saturdays are mostly travel time. two days at Vail pretty much pays for my pass. So some might ski two days and take a break and then ski two more days and now the week went by. Especially families. But from their point of view they saved money. Their objective is not to ski 30-50 days on the pass. Most in the forum are focused on skiing as many days as possible and in the end we also break it down to a daily average.

So not take a different look - a 4 day pass is $323 and for Children it is $168 now you have a family that is skiing on a 4 day pass on the relative cheap.

 

[dblskifanatic]

With RFID and best pricing online ahead of arriving, this is rapidly diminishing as a reason to go season pass. Even for the once I. A while folks, many resorts are pushing this info front and center. So the convenience of direct to lift is not just for the passholder anymore.

I doubt Epic goes that route - the same for Ikon. They want the commitment early.

 

[deadheadskier]

Folks trippin about low season pass usage rates should spend time at a marina sometime. Your minds would be blown. Six figure boats (much higher than that elsewhere from where I boat) five figure slip and maintenance bills annually and some of these boats only leave the docks 3-4 times a summer.

 

[dblskifanatic]

Folks trippin about low season pass usage rates should spend time at a marina sometime. Your minds would be blown. Six figure boats (much higher than that elsewhere from where I boat) five figure slip and maintenance bills annually and some of these boats only leave the docks 3-4 times a summer.

some people have too much money!

 

[deadheadskier]

some people have too much money!

I would not be one of those people. I use mine every chance I can get. My boating days probably exceed my skiing days

 

[Smellytele]

A boat - A hole in the water you through money into

 

[drjeff]

Except 1 week isn't 4-5 days!

1 week is 5-7 days!!!

Who skis only 4 days in a week long trip? (serious question here, any of your family member of "less avid skiers" does less than 4 days? Don't forget, "average" of 4 days means lots of people ski LESS than 4)

No, I can't quite fathom. Why pay $600 for 6 days of skiing when you can pay $1000 for the same number of days? Because that $1000 can let you go anywhere out side of Vail empire!

Are people so focus on "saving" money that they would pay in advance, limiting themselves to a handful of destinations. And then not ski enough number of days to even make the pass "pay for itself"???

How much does "lost of opportunity" cost?

The folks, many who don't live within driving distance of a ski resort for weekend trips, who take a week, or maybe 2 weeks a year.

Fly-in/arrive on Sunday, plan to ski/ride Mon-Friday, realize along about Wednesday that their legs are shot from Monday/Tuesday, decide to go say snowmobiling or some other non skiing/riding activity on Wednesday. Ski/ride on Thursday and Friday,

Depart for home on Saturday. In their mind they're avoiding the weekends which they have heard are the most crowded, and their not used to skiing/riding before their vacation "week" each year

Not that different than the masses who show uo on MLK Weekend or President's Weekend, thinking they're going to ski/ride Sat-Mon, but often have legs that have no interest on heading back out on the hill on Monday.

While not the typical AZ'er demographics, there sure are a sizable number of the masses, who make up the bulk of the skiing/riding population whom this decsribes accurately

 

[drjeff]

A boat - A hole in the water you through money into

Also Break Out Another Thousand

 

[2Planker]

A boat - A hole in the water you through money into

BOAT, stands for, Bust Out Another Thousand

 

[drjeff]

I would not be one of those people. I use mine every chance I can get. My boating days probably exceed my skiing days

That's me with the golf course I belong to (and since it's just a golf course, and no pool or tennis courts or restaurant we don't actually consider it a Country Club ) - I want to get in atleast as many rounds of golf a season as I skied the previous Winter, Skied 66 days last season. Played my 45th round of golfthis past Saturday. Should easily get past the 66 total before I put my ski boots on and head to the slopes. Probably would be just about to that 66 number right now if mother nature didn't feel like having it rain close to 20 inches in my part of CT since the beginning of July, especially with a tendency for thunderstorms rolling though the area right about the time I get out of work way too many days since the beginning of July!!

 

[deadheadskier]

That's me with the golf course I belong to (and since it's just a golf course, and no pool or tennis courts or restaurant we don't actually consider it a Country Club ) - I want to get in atleast as many rounds of golf a season as I skied the previous Winter, Skied 66 days last season. Played my 45th round of golfthis past Saturday. Should easily get past the 66 total before I put my ski boots on and head to the slopes. Probably would be just about to that 66 number right now if mother nature didn't feel like having it rain close to 20 inches in my part of CT since the beginning of July, especially with a tendency for thunderstorms rolling though the area right about the time I get out of work way too many days since the beginning of July!!

Same deal. Wettest July on record for much of NH. Late May and early June were pretty bad too.

Probably lost 8-10 days to rain this season. Just as painful as rain during ski season.

 

[snoseek]

Same deal. Wettest July on record for much of NH. Late May and early June were pretty bad too.

Probably lost 8-10 days to rain this season. Just as painful as rain during ski season.

Idk rain in ski season can wreck stuff for several days or even weeks

 

[dblskifanatic]

Idk rain in ski season can wreck stuff for several days or even weeks

That is what snowmaking is for!

 

[kingslug]

Lost the whole month of August for racing the bike..the weather report for the weekends is always the same ...rain.

 

[Smellytele]

That is what snowmaking is for!

Doesn’t help when there is a freeze up after and then 2 inches of man made on top of sheer ice.

 

[JimG.]

vail loves that customer. they hate customers who ski 50+ days and bring bacon in their pockets and sleep in a motel 20 minutes away.

This sums it up for me.

 

[ss20]

If I only skied once a season and it was a week at a Western moutain resort you'd have to put me in a wheelchair after skiing five days straight lol.

This past winter I opened my season at Jackson Hole. Day one I skied 8:30-3. Day two I skied a full full day. Day three I called it at like 2pm. Then I drove down to Alta for day 4 in a row. Day five was spent sleeping lol.

 

[2Planker]

This sums it up for me.

They really hate their own employees too. You used to be able to get 50% discount, so a Burger & Fries was reasonable at $8.50

Now NOBODY $$$ pays for anything. They even got rid of the Saltines + PB....
The days of free Cinnamon rolls for patrollers (Shhhh) are over, and more than 1/2 have left Tash & Cat for better pastures.

I wish them the best, but will never "work" (volunteering 40-50 days/year) for an organization that cares so little about both it's guests and it's staff.
BW has extended an offer but the best $$$ so far is Purity Springs, and that's less than 4 miles from home...

May just be a ski bum again, but usually gets boring by mid January