VAIL SUCKS

[IceEidolon]

NC is a big hole. Sugar or Beech would not surprise me. Lots of potential customers with $$$$ from Charlotte/Raleigh and everything in between. Wintergreen VA also seems to be their style.

They don't want Wolf, Sugar doesn't own their land, Beech has an active second/third generation family running it, Cataloochee is pretty far from NC centers more in the Gatlinburg area. Not sure about App Ski Mtn but they rely on nights and parks and group deals - the antithesis of Vail.

 

[slatham]

FYI Epic season pass sales up 47% in units this year. That’s an additional 700,000 passes from last season! This could be ugly.

Full disclosure, I have a slew of passes, none Epic........

 

[Hastur]

OMG. The fights at carinthia are going to be epic! can't wait for the grams.

 

[drjeff]

OMG. The fights at carinthia are going to be epic! can't wait for the grams.

The challenge of topping the couple that were posted up on Unoffical Networks last season is real! Those were a couple of classics for sure!

 

[jaytrem]

Beech has an active second/third generation family running it

Ahhh, there's your winner, surely some of them would like to cash out. Vail will divide and conquer them (hopefully not).

Side note, I'm pretty sure Wolf is the strangest place I've ever skied.

 

[jaytrem]

The challenge of topping the couple that were posted up on Unoffical Networks last season is real! Those were a couple of classics for sure!

Yeah, tough to beat this...

VIDEO: Woman Assaults 13 Year Old Boy @ Mt. Snow, Vermont

Wish I had more background information on this assault on the slopes of Mount Snow in Vermont but accordingly to second hand reporting on Reddit, the

unofficialnetworks.com

 

[Cobbold]

My first thoughts as well.

If you look at a map Thunder Ridge would be very logical in the next takeover. Lot's of families with money who go west every year already. Train from Grand Central to Patterson. I never thought it would happen because the infrastructure was falling apart but that is quickly being turned around. I will pray it never happens though. I didn't see it as a possibility when I started there but I can see it now.

Doesn’t vail

Yeah, tough to beat this...

VIDEO: Woman Assaults 13 Year Old Boy @ Mt. Snow, Vermont

Wish I had more background information on this assault on the slopes of Mount Snow in Vermont but accordingly to second hand reporting on Reddit, the

unofficialnetworks.com

makes me want to give up skiing, yikes

 

[Kingslug20]

I have to wonder why Vail is still on a spending spree when they clearly have a lot of issues with what they have already.

 

[Hastur]

I have to wonder why Vail is still on a spending spree when they clearly have a lot of issues with what they have already.

Debt is cheap now. Can't guarantee that will be the case in 3-5 years

 

[eatskisleep]

Debt is cheap now. Can't guarantee that will be the case in 3-5 years

Yep low interest rates and infinite printing of money indeed does have consequences.

 

[drjeff]

I have to wonder why Vail is still on a spending spree when they clearly have a lot of issues with what they have already.

And 2 million Epic passes sold this year, before anyone even odrers a burger and fries and signs little Sally or Johnny up for rentals and lessons, certainly helps pad the war chest and makes the balance sheet look solid cash flow wise.

Plus with the extra 500k plus Epic passes they sold this year apparently, gotta find some more acres and lifts to put many possibly 1st time ever passholders, on to keep them satisfied with their purchase and wanting to re-up next season

This is going to get interesting over the next few years to see how they handle so many factors in play

 

[Edd]

I have to wonder why Vail is still on a spending spree when they clearly have a lot of issues with what they have already.

Well, we think Vail has issues but does Vail think that?

 

[PAabe]

7S does not have extra capacity to absorb Epic pass peeps. That place is already mobbed, like worse than the poconos.

LM has 1 lift and HV is largely a beginner's hill.

The Snow Time areas also did not have the capacity to absorb the epic crowds, and will be even more crowded this year.

If I were a Yinzer - Peek n Peak, Wisp, or Blue Knob are an extra hour but to avoid the epic crowds maybe worth it more often? Blue Knob has really cheap passes and is on Indy too.

 

[Kingslug20]

Just read about the pass sale increase. When asked about how they will handle the increased traffic " we will load chairs more efficiently" ...really ?
I just don't think they give a damn about how they will operate..its all numbers to them. Its sad but this is the way a mega corp is going to operate. Its no different than ( on a way smaller scale) if I went out and continuously bought condos to rent but ran them like shit, let them fall apart and really didn't care about who worked for me maintaining them...yet keep on buying them. The way they are handling NH is deplorable..no care at all. And yet..here I am an Epic pass holder because..its cheap.
And yes..debt is cheap as hell...I would just hate to see some of these areas really take a dive because of this.
We shall see.

 

[Harvey]

I am an Epic pass holder because..its cheap.

Is it fun?

 

[cdskier]

Just read about the pass sale increase. When asked about how they will handle the increased traffic " we will load chairs more efficiently" ...really ?

Yea...that comment really makes no sense to me. Unless Vail had numerous chairs going up empty or less than full 2 years ago (last year doesn't count obviously), there's really no way to "load chairs more efficiently". Unless they've also come up with some magical way to prevent people from mis-loading or improperly unloading thus reducing stops. But even if the chair never stopped, that's still not going to be enough gained efficiency to make up for the volume increase in sales.

 

[Harvey]

Maybe they will have someone sit on your lap.

 

[Kingslug20]

Is it fun?

yup

 

[jaytrem]

Just read about the pass sale increase. When asked about how they will handle the increased traffic " we will load chairs more efficiently" ...really ?

Not seeing that at the MS bubble yet, no effort to group people up at all. One guy at the Grand Summit Express was pretty funny though. Was actually pushing snowboarders towards the lift so that he could keep his no lift line thing going. Everyone was having a good laugh. Gotta clone that guy!

 

[drjeff]

Not seeing that at the MS bubble yet, no effort to group people up at all. One guy at the Grand Summit Express was pretty funny though. Was actually pushing snowboarders towards the lift so that he could keep his no lift line thing going. Everyone was having a good laugh. Gotta clone that guy!

Honestly I haven't seen/been in a line yet this season at Mount Snow, that I would classify as "big" by Mount Snow standards. Waited maybe 10 minutes a couple of times for the Bluebird, but often thus far this season they haven't even had all of the pre-set queue lanes open becuse the lines just haven't been "Mount Snow big" yet.....

And I suppose you could truthfully say that compared to last year, if they loaded say 4 on a 6 or 3 on a 4 that it would be a "more efficient" way to load a lift which they learned from last year!