VAIL SUCKS

[PAabe]

Too many rules & too much liability nowadays. If you ski it should be obvious that it is dangerous just like driving or drinking or eating unhealthily

 

[jimmywilson69]

The natives are getting restless in the west

https://www.change.org/p/vail-resorts-hold-vail-resorts-accountable

 

[Smellytele]

Under the Muellers the snowmaking was a huge part of the draw for Sunapee. Huge draw. I can’t imagine it with less snowmaking.

I can. I used to ski there when it was run by the state.

 

[2Planker]

I can. I used to ski there when it was run by the state.

That was when John “JD” Devivo ran it. Now the GM at Cannon. Good guy ! I trained him as a rookie at SR 30+ years ago. He’s had every job a ski resort could offer. Something current Vail management seems to be lacking….

 

[VTKilarney]

There're aren't as many "entry level jobs" as it used to be due to automation.

Oh, please. If we were talking about manufacturing you would have a point. But there has been an explosion in service sector jobs, which have been minimally impacted by automation. If you were correct, people would be lining up to work at Vail.

My son works a summer job at a seasonal tourist attraction. His pay went up about 90% in one year and they were still desperate for employees. The labor market is pretty screwy right now.

 

[jaytrem]

As my brother, who is staying up in Bartlett this week with his family was at Attitash today and texted me around lunch time today....

You sent you brother to Attitash??? Wow, you must hate him!

 

[drjeff]

You sent you brother to Attitash??? Wow, you must hate him!

Not my fault!

I "warned" him for what he was likely in for on Christmas Eve. He has very good friends who own the place in Bartlett and they have a tradition of getting togther with their kids up there X-Mas week. I feel I did my older brother due diligence and in addtion to telling them what they were likely to expect on the hill, I told him to make sure that there was extra beer and wine purchased!

Apparently they're off to Cranmore today (they're often with the 10AM ish arriving crowd by the time they get the combined 7 kids out the door ) so I am waiting to see if I get an on hill picture or an in the bar picture later this morning!

 

[KustyTheKlown]

some dude went missing on xmas at Northstar and is likely upside down dead in a tree well. a competent skier who managed the local surefoot, but was new to tahoe apparently. i caught wind of it from an unofficial networks or snowbrains post a few days ago. this is obviously tragic. but last night a friend who is a casual skier and former sf/tahoe person posted to Instagram ranting and raving at Northstar for promoting the recent big historic snow and big-time conditions (assuming they've even dug out and the roads are open?). i went to the northstar post and found the comments almost universally piling on them about promoting the big snow and not mentioning the missing skier. i hate vail as much as the next guy here, but i didn't agree with these commenters, who seemed to think the business of being a ski resort should stop because one patron has tragically been lost and is probably dead. skiing is inherently risky, and we all acknowledge that legally every time we ride a lift with our pass or buy a day ticket. this fella went out by himself in a huge storm and he had a bad accident, but i dont think northstar/vail needs to stop their business in its tracks over it after a giant storm in a holiday week

 

[abc]

Oh, please. If we were talking about manufacturing you would have a point. But there has been an explosion in service sector jobs, which have been minimally impacted by automation.

But I was talking about all jobs, not just service sector jobs.

All young people need to find some work. Service sector is the only sector left for them. And it's not a sector they can automatically "move up" and get paid more like in manufacturing or office jobs.

 

[Edd]

some dude went missing on xmas at Northstar and is likely upside down dead in a tree well. a competent skier who managed the local surefoot, but was new to tahoe apparently. i caught wind of it from an unofficial networks or snowbrains post a few days ago. this is obviously tragic. but last night a friend who is a casual skier and former sf/tahoe person posted to Instagram ranting and raving at Northstar for promoting the recent big historic snow and big-time conditions (assuming they've even dug out and the roads are open?). i went to the northstar post and found the comments almost universally piling on them about promoting the big snow and not mentioning the missing skier. i hate vail as much as the next guy here, but i didn't agree with these commenters, who seemed to think the business of being a ski resort should stop because one patron has tragically been lost and is probably dead. skiing is inherently risky, and we all acknowledge that legally every time we ride a lift with our pass or buy a day ticket. this fella went out by himself in a huge storm and he had a bad accident, but i dont think northstar/vail needs to stop their business in its tracks over it after a giant storm in a holiday week

Agreed those criticisms sound ridiculous.

 

[raisingarizona]

some dude went missing on xmas at Northstar and is likely upside down dead in a tree well. a competent skier who managed the local surefoot, but was new to tahoe apparently. i caught wind of it from an unofficial networks or snowbrains post a few days ago. this is obviously tragic. but last night a friend who is a casual skier and former sf/tahoe person posted to Instagram ranting and raving at Northstar for promoting the recent big historic snow and big-time conditions (assuming they've even dug out and the roads are open?). i went to the northstar post and found the comments almost universally piling on them about promoting the big snow and not mentioning the missing skier. i hate vail as much as the next guy here, but i didn't agree with these commenters, who seemed to think the business of being a ski resort should stop because one patron has tragically been lost and is probably dead. skiing is inherently risky, and we all acknowledge that legally every time we ride a lift with our pass or buy a day ticket. this fella went out by himself in a huge storm and he had a bad accident, but i dont think northstar/vail needs to stop their business in its tracks over it after a giant storm in a holiday week

With the kind of storms hitting Tahoe right now they aren’t going to find that kid until June.

 

[Geoff]

I fully get that compared to other Vail properties, especially in the Northeast, that Mount Snow is lucky enough to have Snow Lake Lodge as employee housing for J1 Visa folks to get a greater amount of staffing than other resorts. So until that place falls down (which I have long thought is a possibility since I once stayed there back in the mid 90's ) I get the lucky factor!

I'm old. I remember the Snow Lake Lodge when it was the premier place in Southern Vermont with the George Jetson saucer lift over the pond and the geyser in the pond with people hiking it and skiing it in the spring. The Mixing Bowl beginner lift on a track. The 2-seater gondola where you didn't need to take your skis off. Heated outdoor swimming pool and indoor skating rink inside the base lodge. The Jets even had a good football team.

 

[KustyTheKlown]

With the kind of storms hitting Tahoe right now they aren’t going to find that kid until June.

totally. 42 tho, not a kid. a good skier who literally got in over his head. rip.

 

[drjeff]

I'm old. I remember the Snow Lake Lodge when it was the premier place in Southern Vermont with the George Jetson saucer lift over the pond and the geyser in the pond with people hiking it and skiing it in the spring. The Mixing Bowl beginner lift on a track. The 2-seater gondola where you didn't need to take your skis off. Heated outdoor swimming pool and indoor skating rink inside the base lodge. The Jets even had a good football team.

I didn't realize you were THAT OLD Geoff!!

 

[KustyTheKlown]

we ate at the snow lake lodge a few times when i was like 10 (so 25 years ago), it seemed fancy to me then!

 

[urungus]

I'm old. I remember the Snow Lake Lodge when it was the premier place in Southern Vermont with the George Jetson saucer lift over the pond and the geyser in the pond with people hiking it and skiing it in the spring. The Mixing Bowl beginner lift on a track. The 2-seater gondola where you didn't need to take your skis off. Heated outdoor swimming pool and indoor skating rink inside the base lodge. The Jets even had a good football team.

Man I wish I could have experienced that era of Mt Snow

 

[deadheadskier]

Man I wish I could have experienced that era of Mt Snow

To think they almost used a nuke back then to blow a hole in the ground for more vertical!

 

[raisingarizona]

totally. 42 tho, not a kid. a good skier who literally got in over his head. rip.

Dang. I didn’t see the age, only a photo. He looked younger than that.

 

[raisingarizona]

Man I wish I could have experienced that era of Mt Snow

I think Sugarbush would have been really cool to see in it’s hay days as well

 

[ericfromMA/NH/VT]

The 2:30 shutdown was pre-announced. They said for scheduled lift maintenance.

During Christmas week

Gotta shut all four chairs down at once for a marathon afternoon lift maintenance session

During Christmas week

That is kind of ridiculous. My best guess is it's probably some maintenance that has to be done at 50 hours after initial start up or something like that. Keep in mind they've only been open since the 26th and I could see something like that happen.

Why they didn't do it after the day was finished, that I can explain, other than to speculate they didn't want to pay people to work at night. And I could be completely wrong and they could just be idiots for scheduling at the way they did.

I will say me and my kids had a great day skiing there today. I had never been there and my expectations were low. They were greatly surpassed. Even with just half of the trails open it was a fun place to ski. In the morning it was hard pack and got scraped off pretty quick but then as the day warmed up the snow softened up and it was really good.

They had a small terrain park with small features open which was perfect for us.

Glad I bailed on going to Okemo and went to crotchet instead. Most likely going back Friday.

Pretty sad that based on what I've seen at Sunapee attitash and wildcat that crotched is Vail's crown jewel in New Hampshire at the moment.