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VAIL SUCKS
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Newpylong
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Sweet!
Considering how mellow both of those lift lines are I am surprised they went for helo instead of direct pour, must be a reason though.
Considering how mellow both of those lift lines are I am surprised they went for helo instead of direct pour, must be a reason though.
I wonder if it has to do with less damage to forest service land. Not driving 40-50 trucks up, no ramps to build etc?
drjeff
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Guessing it's the speed of the process at the backbone of the decision. Even with the copter still sounds like from what I heard that this is close to a 3.5 day job weather permitting to get all the concrete flown to the sites and into the forms. Guessing with having to likely "pull" the concrete trucks with a bulldozer or some other large construction vehicle to many of the tower/terminal locations that it would of been a much slower process that way. Additionally, while I am not sure where exactly the plant(s) is/are that they're getting the concrete from are located, if the trucks are having to travel route 9 from either the Brattleboro or Bennington side to get to Mount Snow, there are lenghty areas of construction with often delays both ways (the compete take down of Route 9 to the dirt level and rebuilding/repaving of it for most of the Wlmingtton to Brattleboro distance and then some blasting and widening work as to start to climb up and out of Bennington, so the travel time from the plant to the mountain and then up the mountain may also be a bit of a variable if they were to do it that way as well
RichT
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Using the Helo is much faster, but a whole lot more fuel. Probably trucking it would be way more costly though (Time + fuel).
Newpylong
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Trucking can be faster if access to the footings is no issue. That is a big IF, especially in Vermont. 8 yards of concrete per truck (reduced based on terrain), roughly 3-4 yards needed per form. Each truck usually can knock out two footings per load. The helo bucket holds 1 yard roughly. 4 trips per form.
The nearest Carrol concrete mixing plant is in Keene, that is quite the trip. They put a retardant in for trips that long, and then the truck has to sit at the base and wait for 1 of 2 buckets (usually) to come and load up.
There are not many locations on either of those liftline that would require having a dozer secure the concrete truck. We had to do that with our lift. Usually you see a mix of direct pours for the easier to get at locations, and helos for the tough stuff. If cost is no issue, it certainly is far easier on both the staff and environment to use the helo though.
The nearest Carrol concrete mixing plant is in Keene, that is quite the trip. They put a retardant in for trips that long, and then the truck has to sit at the base and wait for 1 of 2 buckets (usually) to come and load up.
There are not many locations on either of those liftline that would require having a dozer secure the concrete truck. We had to do that with our lift. Usually you see a mix of direct pours for the easier to get at locations, and helos for the tough stuff. If cost is no issue, it certainly is far easier on both the staff and environment to use the helo though.
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mbedle
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Not exactly the same business, but an interesting change to their business model is occurring at Six Flag parks. Discounted tickets to much and filling our parks is not the right philosophy!!!
www.fox7austin.com
Six Flags CEO plans to raise prices, says parks turned into 'day care center for teenagers'
The company's new strategy is meant to keep "rowdy" teenagers from running amok.
What about this company, may be closer.
21st Century Concrete
We are a prominent supplier of ready-mix concrete, asphalt, sand and gravel, crushed stone, mulch, and top soil with over 25 locations in New York State, Massachusetts and Connecticut.
21centuryconcrete.com
Newpylong
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Trucks are Carrol Concrete.
I was talking about Vail in nh over some beers last night with a friend. We both endured the epic failure that was last year.
We both agreed that raising the base pay to 20 hourly will solve a lot of problems for day to day operations and that they may even poach labor from competing resorts.
The big wild card is what they end up paying people higher up the chain. I think they've probably scared off a lot of local talent and if they don't have the same competitive pay for those jobs then problems could continue.
I do have a shred of hope that baseline operations get somewhat normal again, crotched goes back to 7 days, wildcat possibly skiing t2b by xmas ect...
One things for sure is they're gonna sell truckloads of passes, cram the mtns on weekends and extract as much money as possible
We both agreed that raising the base pay to 20 hourly will solve a lot of problems for day to day operations and that they may even poach labor from competing resorts.
The big wild card is what they end up paying people higher up the chain. I think they've probably scared off a lot of local talent and if they don't have the same competitive pay for those jobs then problems could continue.
I do have a shred of hope that baseline operations get somewhat normal again, crotched goes back to 7 days, wildcat possibly skiing t2b by xmas ect...
One things for sure is they're gonna sell truckloads of passes, cram the mtns on weekends and extract as much money as possible
thebigo
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your optimism is admirable, open jobs at crotched include 'Senior Manager of Resort Operations' at '$63,900 - $76,700'
jobs.vailresortscareers.com
edit - and wildcat top to bottom by Christmas as a new baseline summarizes Vail's NH operations.
Crotched Mountain Jobs: Explore. Grow. Belong.
Receive $20/hr. starting wage and perks/benefits that allow you to discover a passion for the outdoors. With 40+ resorts, you can join for a season or stay for a career.
edit - and wildcat top to bottom by Christmas as a new baseline summarizes Vail's NH operations.
Edd
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Wow, they need to consult a map. Crotched is 1:15 from the seacoast, never mind Manchester and Nashua.your optimism is admirable, open jobs at crotched include 'Senior Manager of Resort Operations' at '$63,900 - $76,700'
Crotched Mountain Jobs: Explore. Grow. Belong.
Receive $20/hr. starting wage and perks/benefits that allow you to discover a passion for the outdoors. With 40+ resorts, you can join for a season or stay for a career.
edit - and wildcat top to bottom by Christmas as a new baseline summarizes Vail's NH operations.
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Old Crotched double chairs to be sold at auction if any one is looking for a wood slat chair. They look pretty beat.
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thebigo
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What lift is that chair from? It is not west, is that the old valley double? Have they been sitting in the woods for 20 years?
chuckstah
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The consensus is they are from Crotched East, but I really have no clue. And yes, I'm sure they've been in the woods or the boneyard for 20 years plus
Honestly, considering the myriad of issues they had—that they did not have enough staff to open the lifts or run seven days a week—as much as I’m for charity getting the house in order is the priority. Customers want the place open and running before buying rusted chairs they hauled out of the woods.
Is the EpicPromise Foundation Rob's family charity? Would be amusing if so
thebigo
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They don't own crotched east and that chair last ran 30 years ago, seats in that picture are wood. Feel like I would have seen a pile of chairs in the woods unless they were off FF towards the condos.
There was a double where the fixed quad is now. Probably put the chairs in storage early 2000s when the quad went in.
joshua segal
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I remember that style of chair from the old Crotched East Double. Https://newenglandskihistory.com shows that it was sold to Sky Tran following the close of the Crotched complex in 1990.
Others have suggested that the chairs were from the double that was replaced by the Valley Quad. That lift was originally a Hall bubble chair. I do not remember those chairs as having had wood seats, but I only rode that double on one day in 1976.
So, it is one of the two, but I am not sure which.
Others have suggested that the chairs were from the double that was replaced by the Valley Quad. That lift was originally a Hall bubble chair. I do not remember those chairs as having had wood seats, but I only rode that double on one day in 1976.
So, it is one of the two, but I am not sure which.
thebigo
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Joshua, you are a tremendous asset to eastern skiing, why do you continue to work for vail?
