VAIL SUCKS

[eatskisleep]

I refuse to give epic/vail a penny. I want to check out Crotched sometime, just because it is on my list, but I’ll wait.

3 hour line, no thanks

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[BenedictGomez]

Vail itself is saying it averages out to about $7/hr more.

Correct; which is 250% more than $2.

 

[BenedictGomez]

Whats the alternative?
Fire them all and start over...replacing 200 employees?
Has to be a middle ground somewhere.

So fire 100. I like your thinking.

EDIT: Probably more like 85 as not all ~200 are striking.

 

[kingslug]

Then $3.50....maybe.
Or this season will be toast for them.

 

[Smellytele]

Correct; which is 250% more than $2.

33% raise for the lowest paid yes.

 

[Smellytele]

So fire 100. I like your thinking.

Okay Mr Musk

 

[BenedictGomez]

Okay Mr Musk

In the pantheon of strike history, this one is particularly dumb.

They already make industry average to above industry average pay, and some of their asks are ridiculous (3 months paid parental leave with a 4 month job, etc... Their Union has been disingenuous, and the, "we cant afford to live here" complaint is laughable. Park City is the most expensive zip code in Utah, you're never going to "afford" a home on $23 an hour, and you probably cant even afford to rent a home unless 4 of you huddle into it splitting the cost. IF you can even find a home, because everything's been turned into short-term rentals and vacation homes of the wealthy. It sucks. It really does, but the ski bum lifestyle is over. Sadly. And if we're being honest, it's not just "over" in Park City, but in most of the nicer ski mountain towns in America (Jackson Hole, Vail, Telluride, Aspen, Stowe, etc.....).

 

[thetrailboss]

 

[kingslug]

Okay Mr Musk

 

[thetrailboss]

My house full of people arent going back..and they ski maybe 10 days a year.
Next time ikon.

Alterra is not much better. Just ask folks about their experience over the last month at Sugarbush and Solitude.

 

[thetrailboss]

So fire 100. I like your thinking.

EDIT: Probably more like 85 as not all ~200 are striking.

Yeah, firing striking members of a union probably runs afoul of at least a few federal labor laws. Utah laws, not so much. Unions don't really exist in Utah.

 

[thetrailboss]

Then $3.50....maybe.
Or this season will be toast for them.

 

[thetrailboss]

The latest news. And they raised over $300,000 in the last two weeks. I'd say that, divided up between the 200 or so of them, is not a bad payday.

Negotiations pick up between Vail Resorts and the Park City ski patrol union - Park Record

The negotiation committees have met six times over the last week and a half with continued bargaining and counterproposals on wages and benefits.

www.parkrecord.com

 

[thetrailboss]

Well, the SL Trib is weighing in on the protest....or at least Bagley is weighing in.

And to be fair, I recall that Alterra was not a fan of Solitude unionizing.

Solitude ski patrollers on verge of union certification - TownLift, Park City News

NLRB overrules resort’s objections, patrollers eager to begin contract negotiations

townlift.com

 

[BenedictGomez]

The latest news. And they raised over $300,000 in the last two weeks. I'd say that, divided up between the 200 or so of them, is not a bad payday.

Negotiations pick up between Vail Resorts and the Park City ski patrol union - Park Record

The negotiation committees have met six times over the last week and a half with continued bargaining and counterproposals on wages and benefits.

www.parkrecord.com

Figuring about $25.25 as average pay per hour, it's closing in on 2 weeks pay. But they've been on strike nearly 2 weeks.

 

[2Planker]

Our local neighborhood all grew up at the Cat in the 90’s….
Now all our kids and friends hate it.
They’d much rather drive the extra 25-30 mins to BW or SR.

 

[Hastur]

Really don’t get the pro Vail anti union take here.

but not surprised by the who of it.

like why can’t ski patroller be a better paid position so it can be a legitimate career for more than a few.

especially out west where it really matters?

 

[Smellytele]

Alterra is not much better. Just ask folks about their experience over the last month at Sugarbush and Solitude.

My son has been skiing solitude just about everyday for the last 2 weeks or so and has had no issues at all. Except parking once.

 

[BenedictGomez]

Really don’t get..........

like why can’t ski patroller be a better paid position so it can be a legitimate career for more than a few.

No, that's not true. You really do "get" it, or you wouldn't have used the adjective, "legitimate" in your response.

 

[thetrailboss]

My son has been skiing solitude just about everyday for the last 2 weeks or so and has had no issues at all. Except parking once.

My buddy skis there almost everyday. He has a harsher assessment. Summit isn’t open. They only recently opened Powderhorn 2. Limited terrain and snowmaking. I’m seeing that they have 41/82 trails open.

And he’s not happy about Solitude dropping the blackouts on all passes. He bought full IKON because it had no blackouts.

Different strokes for different folks I guess.