VAIL SUCKS

[thebigo]

Yes, conditions today were excellent. More western than eastern. The line at bear was brutal, abenaki was not bad. If you zoom in where the small park used to be, there was a dude in a vail resorts coat talking with the gm. I have not seen a vail resorts coat this year, only stowe. We can only hope they were talking about how to fix the problem.

 

[drjeff]

Yes, conditions today were excellent. More western than eastern. The line at bear was brutal, abenaki was not bad. If you zoom in where the small park used to be, there was a dude in a vail resorts coat talking with the gm. I have not seen a vail resorts coat this year, only stowe. We can only hope they were talking about how to fix the problem.

The corporate Vail Resorts coats started showing up at Mount Snow a couple of weeks ago.

Looks like the GM and multiple higher ups are wearing them now. Also some of the higher ups were wearing green and white with a mountain print on them face masks as well today, and that is new as of the last few days from what I have seen myself

 

[Cobbold]

Yes, conditions today were excellent. More western than eastern. The line at bear was brutal, abenaki was not bad. If you zoom in where the small park used to be, there was a dude in a vail resorts coat talking with the gm. I have not seen a vail resorts coat this year, only stowe. We can only hope they were talking about how to fix the problem.

Maybe rob Katz, rumor was he was at roundtop yesterday, was it a charcoal gray jacket, management wears charcoal gray jackets

 

[Cobbold]

The corporate Vail Resorts coats started showing up at Mount Snow a couple of weeks ago.

Looks like the GM and multiple higher ups are wearing them now. Also some of the higher ups were wearing green and white with a mountain print on them face masks as well today, and that is new as of the last few days from what I have seen myself

Hear those are coats they testing for next year or the year after

 

[thebigo]

Here those are coats they testing for next year or the year after

Imagine if they reallocated their fancy coat and colored block fund to lift ops.

 

[deadheadskier]

Yes, conditions today were excellent. More western than eastern. The line at bear was brutal, abenaki was not bad. If you zoom in where the small park used to be, there was a dude in a vail resorts coat talking with the gm. I have not seen a vail resorts coat this year, only stowe. We can only hope they were talking about how to fix the problem.

They can start by raising the price of the pass to at least $1000 for all access in the East

 

[ctdubl07]

Hear those are coats they testing for next year or the year after

This is what I also understand. Ironically this being the vendor conversion year, worked in the Mtns favor as they were having supply chain issues meeting the volume neeed for 17+ new staffing events

 

[thebigo]

They can start by raising the price of the pass to at least $1000 for all access in the East

I don't know the exact numbers but something along the lines of $750 nh w/ a dozen blackouts, $1k nh unlimited, $1500 unlimited vail across the country sounds about right. Way too many bozos today.

 

[deadheadskier]

I really hate making a comment like that because I know the sport is really expensive as is, but it's well documented now after 3-5 years of cheap national passes that the crowding it causes blows.

Vail can't offer a premium "Experience of a lifetime" product with jelly club of the month pricing.

Raise the pass prices, lower the day ticket prices; especially mid week I say.

 

[Hastur]

Unlimited multi mountain passes like ikon or epic should be like 2k

 

[thebigo]

Tims was fun today:

 

[catskillman]

Anyone know when Vail is going to fix and open Bobcat chair at Wildcat? Because this is what a sold out Wildcat day looks like without that chair. 15+ for the Tomcat chair and 30+ for the quad

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that is nothing ! you should see Hunter. This is better than a mid week day

The D and B lift lines reached yesterday while th 6 pack was down.

 

[Cobbold]

Unlimited multi mountain passes like ikon or epic should be like 2k

then no one buys the pass, you get a great deal by giving vail your money in September, which they invest in commercial paper for 30 to 60 days, perfect weather weekends under epic/ ikon will be packed, but All areas were crowded today from what I heard.

 

[catskillman]

Yes, conditions today were excellent. More western than eastern. The line at bear was brutal, abenaki was not bad. If you zoom in where the small park used to be, there was a dude in a vail resorts coat talking with the gm. I have not seen a vail resorts coat this year, only stowe. We can only hope they were talking about how to fix the problem.

the scanners and lift attendants at Hunter are wearing Vail Resorts jackets. so this logic is BS.

BTW Russ the Pres of Hunter, has not been give a VR jacket, he is wearing a 4+ season jacket - black w orange...

That hour long wait this morning was brutal with a little kid. On the positive note - conditions today are pure bliss.

Dear Vail - please sell less tickets if you don’t have staff to run more lifts.

Thanks in advance.

noticed today that if you wanted to make a reservation with your epic pass for the next couple of weekends they were sold out, BUT if you went to the Hunter site to buy a day ticket there were plently for sale. WTF????

 

[thebigo]

the scanners and lift attendants at Hunter are wearing Vail Resorts jackets. so this logic is BS.

BTW Russ the Pres of Hunter, has not been give a VR jacket, he is wearing a 4+ season jacket - black w orange...

noticed today that if you wanted to make a reservation with your epic pass for the next couple of weekends they were sold out, BUT if you went to the Hunter site to buy a day ticket there were plently for sale. WTF????

So then how do you fix hunter?

I can tell you how to fix nh but it is expensive.

 

[jimmywilson69]

Everyone has been wearing the HH branded Vail gear in PA all season. Weird of the NH PROPERTIES are just getting that gear

 

[MogulMonsters]

So then how do you fix hunter?

I can tell you how to fix nh but it is expensive.

Hire staff before ski season? https://jobs.vailresortscareers.com/attitash/go/Attitash-Jobs/8107100/

All lifts at Attitash aren’t open because there is no staff to run or maintain them. Ask anyone at the mountain....they will tell you the same.

 

[deadheadskier]

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that is nothing ! you should see Hunter. This is better than a mid week day

The D and B lift lines reached yesterday while th 6 pack was down.

I don't doubt it, but different perspectives here. Hunter has been known as a busy Mountain for years being just 2.5 hours from NYC.

Wildcat is one of the most difficult to get to mountains in New England. It's been home for me since 2012 and I've been a regular visitor since 2007. I can't ever recall spending more than 15 minutes in line for the quad, and typically under ten for the singles line on the busiest of days. Tomcat and Bobcat chairs ALWAYS 3 minutes or less I've waited 30 minutes several times this year for the quad and 15 repeatedly today for the Tomcat.

Even without the chair capacity restrictions due to Covid, lines would be a nightmare this year due to too many people having a cheap pass

Ultimately it comes down to yield management. Let's get to 6 people spending $100 a day vs 10 people spending $60.

 

[abc]

I've written quite a few post against Vail. But the lines in mid-February, that's just expected! Especially when we had a poor early season and then, all of a sudden, snow came!

The pandemic makes the line longer. So even with "reservation", it's expected to be long!

Wait till March, maybe we can see what the demand will be. And we'll get to see what Vail does when it comes to April's "schedule closing date". Will they close with tons of snow on the slopes? If they do, I hope people decamp to other mountains. And then, maybe another law suit against Vail for not operating all the lift on the mountains? (basically, "non-performance" on contracts)

I knew the game Vail was playing. Advance pass sale to lock in the revenue. That's why the low price. And to be frank, if it's low enough, people don't get quite as upset. My pass didn't cost me much, as I had some credit coming from the previous season. So whatever I got to use it, OR NOT USE IT, it's not that big a deal. Given the way Vail failed in preparing for this season, I'm not likely giving them another dime next season. For those of us who didn't buy a slope side condo, there're other mountains we can go to.

People in the industry talk about pent up demand next season, that's just wishful thinking. The thing most "pent up" is bad taste in our mouth against Vail. So those of us who could, will leave Vail next season. We'll get to ski next season,, just not at Vail mountains.

 

[deadheadskier]

Hire staff before ski season? https://jobs.vailresortscareers.com/attitash/go/Attitash-Jobs/8107100/

All lifts at Attitash aren’t open because there is no staff to run or maintain them. Ask anyone at the mountain....they will tell you the same.

Pay what it takes to fully staff the lifts. Lifty labor is such a miniscule cost center for ski resorts. Even though these are low skill jobs, people don't want to stand outside doing a mundane task for 8 hours a day.

If Vail was offering $15-20/HR for lifty jobs, they'd be all set. They probably pay $12 at best