VAIL SUCKS

[jimmywilson69]

why Are people pissed off? Due to the lift lines?

lift lines for sure. Supposedly they set the reservation limit at 3500 which was a number they only exceeded 4 times last year. However, every weekend has been sold out and holiday lines by 10 AM every weekend. Its a head scratcher as to where all of these people came from. Some have come from the other 2 resorts which are historically more crowded on weekends becasue they are closer to DC.

There are many people who used to ski at Rountop on a $200 night pass and that is gone. There is a school/club program, but they've reduced the night operations from 7 days a week to Thursday - Saturday. Those people are super pissed and likely never coming back. They only want to ski Roundtop, at night and could care less about traveling to ski. I know for certain they made a lot of money on both the night pass and the night club programs pre-Peaks and Vail. Instead of getting $0 why not collect something from those types of folks.

People were super pissed that we got 11" of snow and we basically had to strong arm them into opening because they weren't prepared with staff hiring. Even though the planned opening was a week prior. They did get open, and the anger certainly did subsided about that topic 2 months removed from it, but it is still unacceptable. Frankly operations have been basically normal as far as snow making and grooming and for that I am thankful.

I wouldn't be all negative with the guy if I got a hold of him for 7 minutes, but I'd definitely let him know there are improvements and a tons of money to be made in the Mid-Atlantic if they run it correctly. Roundtop isn't Vail, so you need to look how the place was run historically and not force a bunch of corporate crap just for the sake of being corporate.

 

[Cobbold]

lift lines for sure. Supposedly they set the reservation limit at 3500 which was a number they only exceeded 4 times last year. However, every weekend has been sold out and holiday lines by 10 AM every weekend. Its a head scratcher as to where all of these people came from. Some have come from the other 2 resorts which are historically more crowded on weekends becasue they are closer to DC.

There are many people who used to ski at Rountop on a $200 night pass and that is gone. There is a school/club program, but they've reduced the night operations from 7 days a week to Thursday - Saturday. Those people are super pissed and likely never coming back. They only want to ski Roundtop, at night and could care less about traveling to ski. I know for certain they made a lot of money on both the night pass and the night club programs pre-Peaks and Vail. Instead of getting $0 why not collect something from those types of folks.

People were super pissed that we got 11" of snow and we basically had to strong arm them into opening because they weren't prepared with staff hiring. Even though the planned opening was a week prior. They did get open, and the anger certainly did subsided about that topic 2 months removed from it, but it is still unacceptable. Frankly operations have been basically normal as far as snow making and grooming and for that I am thankful.

I wouldn't be all negative with the guy if I got a hold of him for 7 minutes, but I'd definitely let him know there are improvements and a tons of money to be made in the Mid-Atlantic if they run it correctly. Roundtop isn't Vail, so you need to look how the place was run historically and not force a bunch of corporate crap just for the sake of being corporate.

Why let people ski for 200 when you can get 500, I hear you, but my guess is they replaced people paying two hundred with people paying 500, plus how do you know roundtop is not making more money under vail,

 

[jimmywilson69]

You're right I don't and maybe they are. The question is did they replace the people who were paying $200 with different people who are paying $500. IF they did then I guess they win. If they didn't then they lose.

one thing I would tell Katz is that for me its great. I ski damn near every day and in a normal year I'll travel up north and out west on their pass.

 

[Cobbold]

You're right I don't and maybe they are. The question is did they replace the people who were paying $200 with different people who are paying $500. IF they did then I guess they win. If they didn't then they lose.

one thing I would tell Katz is that for me its great. I ski damn near every day and in a normal year I'll travel up north and out west on their pass.

Send Katz a letter, I sent him a letter once never got a response but it did not have anything to do with vail and maybe his screener tossed it, thinking about a night pass only , not near any vail mtns that have night skiing, but a nite only pass kinda makes sense, 200/250 night only at one Mtn, sure I can see the market for that. Ran into a roundtop skier on a bus out at beaver creek, last winter, asked him if he had a epic pass, response was no, had lots of days in at roundtop and at least one day at beaver creek if not two, a pass would have saved him money,lol. Do roundtop skiers only ski roundtop and not liberty and whitetail? And vice a versa

 

[FBGM]

Send Katz a letter, I sent him a letter once never got a response but it did not have anything to do with vail and maybe his screener tossed it, thinking about a night pass only , not near any vail mtns that have night skiing, but a nite only pass kinda makes sense, 200/250 night only at one Mtn, sure I can see the market for that. Ran into a roundtop skier on a bus out at beaver creek, last winter, asked him if he had a epic pass, response was no, had lots of days in at roundtop and at least one day at beaver creek if not two, a pass would have saved him money,lol. Do roundtop skiers only ski roundtop and not liberty and whitetail? And vice a versa

Trying to get a response back from Vail on anything is next to impossible.

I sent them a job proposal a while back for something that would save them millions. With write ups, prof, documents, etc. After numerous follow ups and a calls and voicemails I finally found someone to talk to (by applying for a job that I didn’t want but I knew they would call). They told me my info and proposal got filed as spam and the recruiter didn’t care - then tried to offer me other jobs)

Alterra took this info and ran with it. Unfortunately they didn’t want to pay what I wanted and didn’t want the scope I Wanted.

End result Vail sucks and Patrick Reed is a cheater on the PGA tour.

 

[Cobbold]

Send Katz a letter, I sent him a letter once never got a response but it did not have anything to do with vail and maybe his screener tossed it, thinking about a night pass only , not near any vail mtns that have night skiing, but a nite only pass kinda makes sense, 200/250 night only at one Mtn, sure I can see the market for that. Ran into a roundtop skier on a bus out at beaver creek, last winter, asked him if he had a epic pass, response was no, had lots of days in at roundtop and at least one day at beaver creek if not two, a pass would have saved him money,lol. Do roundtop skiers only ski roundtop and not liberty and whitetail? And vice a versa

one additional thought, read on a blog not sure if it is happening now or in the past at whitetail, more skiers showed up then they had rental skis for and they turned them away, not sure why they don’t have a back up plan in place with ski shops in the area to get skis from on the few occasions they are needed, pushing clients away is never good for the business long term, but what do I know, I know Mt snow had a program on Friday nights and maybe Saturday too , the rental shop was open till midnight to pick up rental skis instead of Saturday morning, great way to reduce lines,not sure if Mt snow is doing it this year.

 

[Mum skier]

Cheap season passes and work from home have made midweeks much more crowded. But vail is not getting a pass from me until they open the lifts midweek. Abenaki, yankee, and bobcat need to be open especially with the more crowded midweeks. Attitash would be done with snowmaking by now in years past, but they would be 100% open on snowmaking trails. Wildcat has barely blown any snow this year. The storm on mlk saved their ass.

Does anyone know if they will open these key lifts the Presidents’ Day holiday week at Attitash? And how crazy busy anything will be. We were thinking of Tues-Thursday with a day each at Wildcat, Attitash and SR (pending Covid test). Hoping Tues- Thurs might not be too crazy even the holiday week (its all relative, with kids in school we are limited to weekends and holidays anyway). The two adults plan to get Covid tests for the day at Maine but always worried results don’t come in in time. Fully understand you need a test even for a day trip, but will we actually be asked for proof I showing up for a day trip. We plan to have it but if it’s delayed is it worth the trip? Will stay in NH near the other resorts.

 

[drjeff]

why Are people pissed off? Due to the lift lines?

Pretty sure that there's a sense of unrealistic expectations that they were only going to allow enough people per day to get reservations so that the average liftlines were no more than a minute on any given day....

Heck, I'm just happy that we are having about as "normal" a ski season as we could of hoped for back in October/November... As I certainly can recall a few posts predicting widespread COVID related shutdowns for weeks on end. Fortunately that hasn't happened and as the current situation appears likely won't be happening this season. For that I am thankful

 

[Cobbold]

Pretty sure that there's a sense of unrealistic expectations that they were only going to allow enough people per day to get reservations so that the average liftlines were no more than a minute on any given day....

Heck, I'm just happy that we are having about as "normal" a ski season as we could of hoped for back in October/November... As I certainly can recall a few posts predicting widespread COVID related shutdowns for weeks on end. Fortunately that hasn't happened and as the current situation appears likely won't be happening this season. For that I am thankful

I agree

 

[2Planker]

Does anyone know if they will open these key lifts the Presidents’ Day holiday week at Attitash? And how crazy busy anything will be. We were thinking of Tues-Thursday with a day each at Wildcat, Attitash and SR (pending Covid test). Hoping Tues- Thurs might not be too crazy even the holiday week (its all relative, with kids in school we are limited to weekends and holidays anyway). The two adults plan to get Covid tests for the day at Maine but always worried results don’t come in in time. Fully understand you need a test even for a day trip, but will we actually be asked for proof I showing up for a day trip. We plan to have it but if it’s delayed is it worth the trip? Will stay in NH near the other resorts.

If you're getting tested in the N Conway area.... Results are taking more than 2 days at just about every place

 

[thebigo]

Why let people ski for 200 when you can get 500, I hear you, but my guess is they replaced people paying two hundred with people paying 500, plus how do you know roundtop is not making more money under vail,

By that logic, why charge $475 unlimited in NH when people used to pay Peaks $630?

 

[thebigo]

Does anyone know if they will open these key lifts the Presidents’ Day holiday week at Attitash? And how crazy busy anything will be. We were thinking of Tues-Thursday with a day each at Wildcat, Attitash and SR (pending Covid test). Hoping Tues- Thurs might not be too crazy even the holiday week (its all relative, with kids in school we are limited to weekends and holidays anyway). The two adults plan to get Covid tests for the day at Maine but always worried results don’t come in in time. Fully understand you need a test even for a day trip, but will we actually be asked for proof I showing up for a day trip. We plan to have it but if it’s delayed is it worth the trip? Will stay in NH near the other resorts.

I have always skied the cat on presidents day. It is the one day of the year that I have off, the kids have school and the wife works. The quad is usually ski on in a normal year, I would guess minimal wait this year midweek but who knows.

 

[Smellytele]

2 1/2 people at 200 per 1 at 500...

 

[thebigo]

 

[Edd]

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Hard pass on that shitshow.

Edit: Referring to BigO Attitash pic. I can’t rid of drjeff’s quote for some reason.

 

[Edd]

 

[xlr8r]

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Glad I was at Attitash last weekend and not this weekend. At worst The Flying Bear line was about 1/3 as long last weekend, but mostly less than 5 minutes, other lifts were practically ski on.

 

[deadheadskier]

Anyone know when Vail is going to fix and open Bobcat chair at Wildcat? Because this is what a sold out Wildcat day looks like without that chair. 15+ for the Tomcat chair and 30+ for the quad

 

[MogulMonsters]

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That hour long wait this morning was brutal with a little kid. On the positive note - conditions today are pure bliss.

Dear Vail - please sell less tickets if you don’t have staff to run more lifts.

Thanks in advance.

 

[gittist]

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Notice that the slopes are just about empty. Perfect place for a timeshare sales pitch....