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Trailboss' Biggest Winners and Losers of 2009-2010

thetrailboss

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The Winners:

· Jay Peak. Gotta hand it to them. Not because of the snow, but when you open up a brand new hotel and begin work on an ice arena you create one hell of a buzz. Thrown in that they had a decent snow year and held pass prices down and you have a good combo. Did I mention that they were the first resort to give Vermont National Guard Families FREE season passes? What also sealed the deal was reopening early after the April Blizzard and throwing in free lunch on closing weekend. Class act.


· Sunday River: They get credit for having the balls to open in October and provide skiing for the masses when others didn’t dare. They limped along for a while, but they were the only game in town. Not bad for this being their 50th season.


· Sugarloaf: They did well in the snow department and since my visit in 2007 the place seemed cleaner and more well-run. It also helps when you throw a party for AlpineZone and throw in free drinks and tickets. They too get props for staying open for the masses. Keep it coming.


· The ski industry and holiday skiers: “What?” You say. Hear me out. This was a season that sucked for snow, unless you skied the few days a year that matter for the business: Christmas, MLK, and President’s Week. In Vermont, they nailed all three holidays without a huge freeze or a catastrophic melt down. Plus, with the low snow and uber warm temps, when April came and the resorts had already made money, they could say, “sorry, we’re closed” guilt-free, take what few $$$ were made and head to Aruba, and all without passholders complaining (well, most that is).

The indifferent:


· Sugarbush: A victim of warm November and April, as well as the shortcomings of its snowmaking system, particularly the lack of compressor power at Lincoln Peak. Throw in some line blow-outs on both sides, and it was not a great snowmaking season. Kudos for keeping pass prices the same, going ahead with Phase II, and being responsive to customers by grooming Ripcord and being accessible. Thumbs down for just “giving up” on spring skiing when they could have gotten one more weekend, and maybe one more big dump, to let people play in. Let’s hope that besides Phase II is some work on snowmaking and additional budget to blow snow on both sides.


· Stowe: No longer owned by the Feds, AIG spun Stowe to a new AIG shell corporation and with it went the hopes of maybe seeing lower prices for skiing. Despite the economy, they still hold the place as most expensive for passes and tickets and people are buying it. Calling it quits in early April was not so great.

The Biggest Losers:


· Killington: Changed their classic logo to something from a country club and then tried to reclaim the “Beast of the East” moniker. Lame. This and the botched May closing (complete with major Nor’Easter after closing) allows K to maintain the title of most criticized ski area on the east coast. Kudos for $299 passes to Pico and trying to revive that place…the Rutland Herald said that pass sales doubled there. But, pushing passes and saying “May 2nd” and then giving up, that drew flames hot enough to melt any snow remaining on the mountain. Then again, someone once said “any publicity is good publicity.”


· Burke: Burke got a two-punch as its ownership Ginn fell victim to the subprime fiasco and they came up almost ten feet short of a normal snow season. It showed with folks a bit scared to ski with Burkie Bear. With Crave at the helm, promotions are abound and word has it that they are proceeding with a “master plan.” De ja vu for the past thirty or so years. That Willoughby Quad is only going to chug along for so many years though.


· Tenney: Word has it that Tenney will be no more. Sources on Snowjournal.com say that PSNH seized snowmaking equipment and was peddling it to competitor resorts and that there is an impending auction for the remaining assets. Meanwhile no pass offers or talk of next season. Riverc0il and others said no snowmaking really for last season. Is this the end of Tenney?

· The Season Passholder: The die-hard skier who purchased a season pass really got screwed this year at many places. I can speak for myself by saying that I had four less weekends due to weather than last season. That is eight less days. The only upside was that my mountain is holding prices for next season. But in general, late openings and early closings made for less bang for the buck. The holiday warriors? As said, they got the goods on all three major periods.
 

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One clearly missing here. The Magic crew busted their asses all year & had continuously great skiing from start to finish. In a low snow year too.

The vibe was nothing short of incredible as well.
 

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One clearly missing here. The Magic crew busted their asses all year & had continuously great skiing from start to finish. In a low snow year too.

The vibe was nothing short of incredible as well.

I guess so, and not to take away anything from them, but the thrust of my thread is that looking across the region, who did well and who did not? When you stack Magic against the other resorts, how did they do? One thing that I know is that despite being only open on weekends and holidays, they increased skier days. But one drawback is that despite the cult following and free publicity, the shares are still a hard-sell.
 
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The Winners:

· Sugarloaf: They did well in the snow department and since my visit in 2007 the place seemed cleaner and more well-run. It also helps when you throw a party for AlpineZone and throw in free drinks and tickets. They too get props for staying open for the masses. Keep it coming.


[The Biggest Losers:



· The Season Passholder: The die-hard skier who purchased a season pass really got screwed this year at many places. I can speak for myself by saying that I had four less weekends due to weather than last season. That is eight less days. The only upside was that my mountain is holding prices for next season. But in general, late openings and early closings made for less bang for the buck. The holiday warriors? As said, they got the goods on all three major periods.

1. You forgot to give props to the Loaf for keeping things open through May 2 -- and for having great staff at the Widowmaker.

2. I have to give Sunday River additional props for taking care of their loyal customers through early ski days, barbecues and breakfast buffets.

3. I don't think Boyne Passholders have much to complain about. October 14 to May 2 is a pretty impressive lift-served season.

4. I'd put up Saddleback in the winners list -- Casablanca glades, a new quad (depends on who you talk to) and more skier visits. It has the potential to give SR and SL a run in Maine.
 

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The Biggest Losers:

· The Season Passholder: The die-hard skier who purchased a season pass really got screwed this year at many places. I can speak for myself by saying that I had four less weekends due to weather than last season. That is eight less days. The only upside was that my mountain is holding prices for next season. But in general, late openings and early closings made for less bang for the buck. The holiday warriors? As said, they got the goods on all three major periods.
Only north of Albany. Catskills and more so Pocono's scored big here. I skied 3 legit powder days at Blue this season. VIP line for passholders also to bypass the crowds = winner!
 

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Only north of Albany. Catskills and more so Pocono's scored big here. I skied 3 legit powder days at Blue this season. VIP line for passholders also to bypass the crowds = winner!

Very true. Mid-Atlantic and points south of VT/NH did well. Hell, from what I saw, Maine got more snow than VT.
 

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Very nice write up, TB. I agree with all of your assessments. I also agree with other posters that both Magic and Saddleback were both big winners this year.

Magic had a huge amount of buzz this year and created many new fans. Despite operational constraints on mid-week, Magic opened a few times for mid-week powder days. Magic also had really good snow this year, a VERY rare occasion in New England this season. Everyone that skied Magic this season said it was as well covered as we have ever seen it. Share sales are not there yet but they are selling WAY WAY WAY more shares than I had given them credit for when the plan was first announced. Magic needed a BIG season in 09-00 and considering how poorly the rest of New England faired for snow, Magic got just what it needed. I skied Magic more times than Jay this season. :eek:

Saddleback's expansion of Casablanca really put it on the map unlike ever before. With the Quad and the Yurt and now the massive glades, the Kennebago area is now on the map as one of the best expert skiing pods in New England. Not that it wasn't already, but now it is recognized as such. The Back has enough of a lineup at the Double on weekends to justify a Quad replacement (though it ain't going in this season). It seems like this area has a lot of buzz that was missing before.

And how about MAINE in general, eh? River, Loaf, and Back all just killed it this year racking up some great storms, incredible service, and lots of press. Maine is first to open and last to close. Maine has to be a big winner this year as it draws in long term repeat customers and perhaps some housing purchases.
 

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Not questioning you're choices trailboss, as I think they were good ones. I realize you can't compare Magic with the big boys. Just think Magic should be mentioned in the "winners" category. They had a great year & worked extremely hard to make it happen.

Plus they'll be around next year. That in itself is a win right there.
 

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Not questioning you're choices trailboss, as I think they were good ones. I realize you can't compare Magic with the big boys. Just think Magic should be mentioned in the "winners" category. They had a great year & worked extremely hard to make it happen.

Plus they'll be around next year. That in itself is a win right there.

Hey Rusty--maybe AZ can be used to help Magic. I think an AZ Summit South would be a good idea......

Also, maybe see if others want to go in on a share.

And you're right....others would have given up when Magic didn't (ala 10e).
 

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Hey Rusty--maybe AZ can be used to help Magic. I think an AZ Summit South would be a good idea......

Also, maybe see if others want to go in on a share.

And you're right....others would have given up when Magic didn't (ala 10e).

AZ summit 10-11 should be @ Magic, what mountain needs it more? Let's make it happen. OG & I will make certain it's a great day.

Thanks AZ for your support this year. Check the new improved Save Magic site.

www.savemagicvermont.com Feedback, comments welcome.

Aplologies for the spam, but you guys seem to be ok with it. Just doing what we can.
 

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Judging by what I've read on here and over on snowjournal Trailboss got it right, but I think Magic was the top winner, what a turn around from two years ago!
 

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AZ summit 10-11 should be @ Magic, what mountain needs it more? Let's make it happen. OG & I will make certain it's a great day.

Thanks AZ for your support this year. Check the new improved Save Magic site.

www.savemagicvermont.com Feedback, comments welcome.

Aplologies for the spam, but you guys seem to be ok with it. Just doing what we can.

what kind of lodging options are slopeside?

A big factor in the success of Sugarloaf was that even during subpar conditions, we were all close to the lifts and for the most part walking distance from dining and entertainment. I don't think an AZ summit necessarily requires a big music performance like the Rustic Overtones and multiple dining outlets, but stumbling distance from a bar is pretty big for many of us ;)
 

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Goniff's Den (bar) is a blast in the lodge. Bands every Saturday. The Inn & the Blue
Gentian are an extremely short walk away for rooms. At the Inn is the Loose Moose Tavern, cool bar fireplace etc. Good to go.

Back on topic. Didn't mean to change it.
 

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If you put the Loaf and the River together...Hard to not have Boyne in the mix. The River alone brought back a vibe of really early turns we have not see in ten years or so.


I thought Nh Elec co op handled the power in the Plymouth area.

I have heard many good things about Saddleback and Magic. Really out of the Vermont loop.
 

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I'd have to put Killington in as a big winner as well as loser. The early close is huge in a lot of enthusiasts' minds, but their mid-winter product took a big step forward this year, they blew when there wasn't natural, and they chilled a bit at BMMC. No, they're not back at Pres Smith levels, and yes they took a step backwards with closing, but overall it was a better year this year than last. Just all the people that only ski it when everything else is closed or those stuck 10 years in the past can't see the forrest for the trees.
 

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What???????????????

I can't argue with your opinion about wanting one more weekend, but I will with your statement about "Not a great snowmaking year". I think our team did the best job since we have owned Sugarbush, and I have heard that from many, many of our guests. Maybe next year we will go into May again.
 

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Magic, fuck'em.

Now Big Sqauw in Maine, now that is a real winner!
 

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its hard to call an entire season a winner or a loser if you only ski that area a few times during the year. i had 2 good days at sundown, 1 bad day at stowe (it hadnt snowed in a while) and 1 great day at sugarbush (any area is great after 18"). so i cant say if those areas were good or bad for the entire year

i skied killington almost 50 days this year and i got my moneys worth.
one of the earliest to open and latest to close
blew a ton of snow all year (didnt get much natural from january to mid feb)
seeded bumps on many different trails
blew snow on the fiddle for the first time in years
eased up on the bmmc
less grooming overall

if getting a new logo and closing a week earlier than the closing date are the biggest complaints of the year, than id say it was a good season
 
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