Bin Ladin dead!

[Johnskiismore]

Fantastic news!

 

[abc]

‎"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that" -- Martin Luther King, Jr

The "enemy" in this case will kill you if you don't kill him.

Killing OBL isn't so much about hate but to stop the killing he's sure to continue. So yes, if his death means the end of certain killing, it's worth rejoicing. Well, worth rejoicing for those of us who may not get killed by another of his scheme!

King maybe a great man in many ways. But he himself was killed by violent. So I have a hard time taking in his non-violent preaching. If it didn't work for him, it probably wouldn't work for the rest of us either.

 

[riverc0il]

King maybe a great man in many ways. But he himself was killed by violent. So I have a hard time taking in his non-violent preaching. If it didn't work for him, it probably wouldn't work for the rest of us either.

I suspect King wouldn't retract his message of peaceful resistance and non-violence had he known he would be shot dead.....

Back on topic, I think the release of the photos will only serve to rile other terrorists. It will give them an image to fixate their outrage on. Logically, there is 100% no way Obama would have came forth saying that Bin Laden is dead unless he was 100% certain. No way. I can't even imagine the fall out Obama would face and how upset the people of this country would be if it was faked and Bin Laden later revealed he was not dead. There are no need for pictures except to quell conspiracy theorists that might posit the US actually has him in custody. But conspiracy theorist will spin such theories with or without pictures (they were doctored!!!). There really is no reason to release pictures at this time and the administration has been smart, IMO, not to do so.

 

[Glenn]

Ooops!

The problem is that the first sentence — “I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy” — doesn’t appear to come from King himself.

http://mediamemo.allthingsd.com/201...rtin-luther-king-jr-and-the-fake-viral-quote/

 

[dmc]

Whats killing me is the Anti Islam talk going on again..

We should be rejoicing with our Muslim friends that this guys is dead - not recycling old racist jokes..

 

[Dr Skimeister]

In an effort to minimize the chances that my ideas get misconstrued, let me start off by saying that I feel Usama was the face of evil. He used his persuasive powers to incite violent actions in what appears to be a minority of followers of Islam. His salesmanship abilities would be applauded had he chosen to apply them to vacuum cleaners, automobiles or veterinary services.

I'm not at all disputing that ending the reign of terror that he advocated is necessary.

I'm bothered though by the celebratory mood that his death has brought forth. The greatest likelihood is that killing him was the only option as far as ending his presence as the leader of his group of terrorists. It's the party atmosphere that his death seems to have brought on that I don't get. This makes as little sense to me as did video shown after the 9/11 attacks that showed people in the Middle East dancing in the streets.

Death sucks when it comes to anyone before they've had a chance to live their full lives.

 

[SkiDork]

In an effort to minimize the chances that my ideas get misconstrued, let me start off by saying that I feel Usama was the face of evil. He used his persuasive powers to incite violent actions in what appears to be a minority of followers of Islam. His salesmanship abilities would be applauded had he chosen to apply them to vacuum cleaners, automobiles or veterinary services.

I'm not at all disputing that ending the reign of terror that he advocated is necessary.

I'm bothered though by the celebratory mood that his death has brought forth. The greatest likelihood is that killing him was the only option as far as ending his presence as the leader of his group of terrorists. It's the party atmosphere that his death seems to have brought on that I don't get. This makes as little sense to me as did video shown after the 9/11 attacks that showed people in the Middle East dancing in the streets.

Death sucks when it comes to anyone before they've had a chance to live their full lives.

I tend to agree with you. The wild celebrations in Times Square after WWII, were they a result of VE day? VJ day? I can't remember. They were celebrating the "end of the war". Which was a result of a peace treaty signing? Can't exactly remember.

Here, there is no "end of war", there will be no treaty signing. So I guess in a way, this wa like VE day.

 

[drjeff]

Current thing rumbling on the NET is the pictures are REALLY graphic.. Like brain splattered and hanging out graphic..

Most rifles used in the last several+ decades are automatics = NEVER pretty. The only non-nasty wounds are wounds on television.

Somehow I'm guessing that the Bin Laden pictures will still be mild compared to what some of the victims families on 9-11 had to endure (for those families whose loved one's remains were even able to be found) during the identification process.

To think that our phenomenal military could go in, have the adversity of a helicopter going down in the process, get Bin laden and get out of there with no casualties on our part is an amazing thing to think about! :flag: :flag: :flag: :flag:

 

[dmc]

To think that our phenomenal military could go in, have the adversity of a helicopter going down in the process, get Bin laden and get out of there with no casualties on our part is an amazing thing to think about! :flag: :flag: :flag: :flag:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/03/world/asia/03intel.html?hp

Good article on our incursion.. In and out before Pakistan could interfere...

 

[dmc]

In an effort to minimize the chances that my ideas get misconstrued, let me start off by saying that I feel Usama was the face of evil. He used his persuasive powers to incite violent actions in what appears to be a minority of followers of Islam. His salesmanship abilities would be applauded had he chosen to apply them to vacuum cleaners, automobiles or veterinary services.

I'm not at all disputing that ending the reign of terror that he advocated is necessary.

I'm bothered though by the celebratory mood that his death has brought forth. The greatest likelihood is that killing him was the only option as far as ending his presence as the leader of his group of terrorists. It's the party atmosphere that his death seems to have brought on that I don't get. This makes as little sense to me as did video shown after the 9/11 attacks that showed people in the Middle East dancing in the streets.

Death sucks when it comes to anyone before they've had a chance to live their full lives.

Even Rudi Guilliani feels this way..

I feel torn by this as well...

 

[Warp Daddy]

In an effort to minimize the chances that my ideas get misconstrued, let me start off by saying that I feel Usama was the face of evil. He used his persuasive powers to incite violent actions in what appears to be a minority of followers of Islam. His salesmanship abilities would be applauded had he chosen to apply them to vacuum cleaners, automobiles or veterinary services.

I'm not at all disputing that ending the reign of terror that he advocated is necessary.

I'm bothered though by the celebratory mood that his death has brought forth. The greatest likelihood is that killing him was the only option as far as ending his presence as the leader of his group of terrorists. It's the party atmosphere that his death seems to have brought on that I don't get. This makes as little sense to me as did video shown after the 9/11 attacks that showed people in the Middle East dancing in the streets.

Death sucks when it comes to anyone before they've had a chance to live their full lives.

Conceptually i agree with the good doctor , operationally i'm "Relatively" certain the circumstances or situational environment merited the outcome.

That said i absolutely ABHOR, the wild ass sport chanting and behavior that demonstrators in Times SQ and other places displayed . THIS was NOT a friggin hockey game or Super Bowl . We ARE better than that and need to show the world that we are .

 

[drjeff]

Even Rudi Guilliani feels this way..

I feel torn by this as well...

Me too. Totally torn about this. Is it a signficant moment in this countries history. Yes. Is it one that should be marked with the types of celebration that we saw? Not so sure about that

 

[hammer]

Conceptually i agree with the good doctor , operationally i'm "Relatively" certain the circumstances or situational environment merited the outcome.

That said i absolutely ABHOR, the wild ass sport chanting and behavior that demonstrators in Times SQ and other places displayed . THIS was NOT a friggin hockey game or Super Bowl . We ARE better than that and need to show the world that we are .

Agree entirely...and well said.

 

[dmc]

Me too. Totally torn about this. Is it a signficant moment in this countries history. Yes. Is it one that should be marked with the types of celebration that we saw? Not so sure about that

I know that in the days after 911 - I would've said string him up and let everyone spit on him...
What a struggle with is many of my friends either were in the towers or lost people in the towers... People I know that lost someone seem to be chill and non-celebratory... People I know that were responders are kicking their heals up in happiness...

But - again - when I saw the burning WTC that day - I knew everyone would need to heel in different ways - some good ome bad.. And I resided myself to be tolerant of this..

Basically - I'll only call out hatred of innocent Muslims.. Other then that.. have at it..

 

[Puck it]

Supposedly, there are reports of a neighbor tweeting as all of this was playing out. I have not found any articles on it yet though. I heard it on the radio.

 

[wa-loaf]

Supposedly, there are reports of a neighbor tweeting as all of this was playing out. I have not found any articles on it yet though. I heard it on the radio.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/social.media/05/02/osama.twitter.reports/index.html?hpt=C2

 

[Puck it]

http://www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/social.media/05/02/osama.twitter.reports/index.html?hpt=C2

Thanks.

 

[wa-loaf]

this is cool, who needs spies and interrogations when we have geographers: http://news.sciencemag.org/scienceinsider/2011/05/geographers-had-calculated-81.html

 

[dmc]

Speaking of geography...
When I was skiing in Gulmarg Kashmir - I was about 200 miles from OBL...

 

[Dr Skimeister]

Speaking of geography...
When I was skiing in Gulmarg Kashmir - I was about 200 miles from OBL...

you can probably expect the CIA to be at your door by 3:30 this afternoon