Bin Ladin dead!

[dmc]

you can probably expect the CIA to be at your door by 3:30 this afternoon

haha... When my brother was being checked out to work at the Pentagon as a Doc - we had a strange car parked outside for a coupe of days. I made it through that check.. But that was a while ago - I have lots of new shenanigans on my resume' now...

 

[ed-drum]

Don't feel like the Lone Ranger. When I joined the AF, My father said there were suits creeping around questioning the whole neighborhood. That's what happens when they give someone a high security clearance. Nothing to worry about.

 

[riverc0il]

We ARE better than that

No. We are not. As a species, we very much are not better than that. It is just the way we function as a social animal. Sometimes we work together to achieve great ends. But our social instinct also brings about great failures in judgment. We need to recognize this to work together to self correct our tendencies as much as possible. But as a people, as a society, it is just part of what makes us human, disgusting as it may be.

 

[Warp Daddy]

No. We are not. As a species, we very much are not better than that. It is just the way we function as a social animal. Sometimes we work together to achieve great ends. But our social instinct also brings about great failures in judgment. We need to recognize this to work together to self correct our tendencies as much as possible. But as a people, as a society, it is just part of what makes us human, disgusting as it may be.

I choose to treat people as they COULD be , rather than as they ARE.

 

[riverc0il]

I choose to treat people as they COULD be , rather than as they ARE.

I really should have clarified my statement. Wasn't meant to suggest any individual in this world is not better than that. Certainly I have such an opinion of myself. But rather on average as a group when taken on the whole.... Sociology is ripe with studies showing how the average group behaves badly when given the appropriate chance to do so even when made up of "good" people. And then there are always individuals that would never join a group doing negative stuff and will always stand out from the crowd, but those are outliers on the curve.

S'all good, Warp! If only everyone in the world had your approach, t'would be a better place to live!

 

[abc]

I suspect King wouldn't retract his message of peaceful resistance and non-violence had he known he would be shot dead.....

Oh I'm pretty sure King is strong in his conviction. I too, doubt he would retract it.

It's just ME who would not share his conviction. Because it doesn't seem to work as it stands. We HAVE TO kill our enemies in order to stop being killed. It's splitting hairs to say we won't rejoice at the result of our enemy's death.

After all, it's a job well done. The job of survival, that is.

 

[DrSkimeister]

Oh I'm pretty sure King is strong in his conviction. I too, doubt he would retract it.

It's just ME who would not share his conviction. Because it doesn't seem to work as it stands. We HAVE TO kill our enemies in order to stop being killed. It's splitting hairs to say we won't rejoice at the result of our enemy's death.

After all, it's a job well done. The job of survival, that is.

People with your mindset are what's wrong with this world.

 

[Warp Daddy]

I really should have clarified my statement. Wasn't meant to suggest any individual in this world is not better than that. Certainly I have such an opinion of myself. But rather on average as a group when taken on the whole.... Sociology is ripe with studies showing how the average group behaves badly when given the appropriate chance to do so even when made up of "good" people. And then there are always individuals that would never join a group doing negative stuff and will always stand out from the crowd, but those are outliers on the curve.

S'all good, Warp! If only everyone in the world had your approach, t'would be a better place to live!

Always great to dialogue with you Steve . As an ole Professor i am into employing the Pygmalyion Effect with folks - to try and "stretch them "

 

[mondeo]

No. We are not. As a species, we very much are not better than that. It is just the way we function as a social animal. Sometimes we work together to achieve great ends. But our social instinct also brings about great failures in judgment. We need to recognize this to work together to self correct our tendencies as much as possible. But as a people, as a society, it is just part of what makes us human, disgusting as it may be.

+1
The desire for revenge is part of human nature. Early in human development it served a purpose, dissuading negative actions through creating consequences. With the advent of the rule of law and encoding of justice and rehabilitation, it loses usefulness, and has no place in modern society. But we're all guilty of it to some extent.

Overall, it's probably a better world without him. That I can find some joy in. But pleasure just because someone died, I hope I never come to that. If not, then the decision to take a life becomes an emotional one, which it should never be.

 

[roark]

Perhaps the best opinion piece I've read on this topic:
http://www.economist.com/blogs/demo...ng_bin_laden?fsrc=scn/fb/wl/bl/letscallitaday

 

[wa-loaf]

 

[Nick]

Hahahaha I love that.....

 

[Dr Skimeister]

"We don't need to spike the football."
PRESIDENT OBAMA, on his decision to not release photographs of Osama bin Laden's corpse.

 

[gmcunni]

"We don't need to spike the football."
PRESIDENT OBAMA, on his decision to not release photographs of Osama bin Laden's corpse.

pics and video to hit the internet within ... i'll say 7 days.

 

[wa-loaf]

"We don't need to spike the football."
PRESIDENT OBAMA, on his decision to not release photographs of Osama bin Laden's corpse.

They need more time to fake the photo's. :razz:

I'm kidding, but it's a no win situation. Don't release them and people will suspect it's fake, release them and they'll just say the photo's are fake. I guess they figured screw the conspiracy theorist who won't be happy with whatever we do and just try not to incite more violence in the middle east. Personally I'd like to see them, but I'm not making the decisions.

 

[dmc]

You have to ask yourself - how many more will die if the photos are shown...

i bet a shtiload...

 

[bvibert]

but it's a no win situation. Don't release them and people will suspect it's fake, release them and they'll just say the photo's are fake. I guess they figured screw the conspiracy theorist who won't be happy with whatever we do and just try not to incite more violence in the middle east.

That's pretty much exactly what I was thinking. People who don't believe he's dead still aren't going to believe it just because they see a few pictures.

 

[gmcunni]

i just don't want to see the pics, period. i once saw a picture of a guy (well, the remains of a guy) who 'd jumped off a roof. i have no need to see shit like that ever again.

somebody said it before, it only looks "cool" in the movies.

 

[RootDKJ]

That's pretty much exactly what I was thinking. People who don't believe he's dead still aren't going to believe it just because they see a few pictures.

+1

 

[drjeff]

You have to ask yourself - how many more will die if the photos are shown...

i bet a shtiload...

Not so sure about that. Lets be honest, the vast majority of muslim's worldwide are likely happy that Bin Laden has been killed with what he did to greatly warp the view of islam to many. The extremists, well they pretty much already hated this country before he was killed, and I doubt that their views changed too much, and if they were going to be outraged by this, well chances are that just the news reports of him being killed did that already, so the photos likely wouldn't do any more aggrevating IMHO

What gets me now, is why is it that the very officials that have seen the photos are the only ones telling us that we don't need to see them??

Release the pics. If people CHOOSE to view them, then so be it. If people CHOOSE not to view them, then so be it. Let people decide for themselves. The era of secrecy about things often ends up doing far more harm, in the form of creating a state of distrust amongst the masses then reassuring the people that the government works for us, not us just doing what the government tell us