Fight at Sunday River

[pepperdawg]

>>I think people would pay the $$$ for convenience and security.

the issue is that people would NOT pay. let;s face it, skiing is expensive and anything that costs extra is a hassle.

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Even if it was free (ha) it would just be another line to stand in......stand in twice actually...

 

[JimG.]

Golly gee whiz. I actually suggest that we spark an initiative to do something about getting rid of bags in lodges FOR A REALLY GOOD REASON... that would put an end to your actual pet peaves and solve a major security problem and "the tone has gotten out of hand". I've skiied for 28 years and never left a bag in a lodge or locker and been to dozens of resorts. Well...I must say..must be magic. If people left there crap-o-la in their cars there would be people in the lots constantly fetching stuff. Gee...that kinda brings an end to that vehicle break in argument doesn't it? Sorry for suggesting we champion a cause instead of sitting here bitching an moaning about this and that. For some reason I thought coming together to do something was the American way. I guess it's been updated to burry your head in the sand (or snow as the case may be)...and make personal insults about the person trying to champion the cause when action is suggested. You lot are pathetic!

Listen, I don't like people using the space under tables to store their crap either. And I agree it's prudent to be alert and on the lookout for suspicious behaviour.

But this frequent skier has to draw a line and not step over it when it comes to suggesting that terrorists are plotting a coordinated death mission to simultaneously blow up 20 ski resorts and kill 30,000 people in the process.

I know you'll tell me it's free speech, but that's over the edge and I think you hurt your cause when you make statements like that.

 

[bvibert]

Golly gee whiz. I actually suggest that we spark an initiative to do something about getting rid of bags in lodges FOR A REALLY GOOD REASON... that would put an end to your actual pet peaves and solve a major security problem and "the tone has gotten out of hand". I've skiied for 28 years and never left a bag in a lodge or locker and been to dozens of resorts. Well...I must say..must be magic. If people left there crap-o-la in their cars there would be people in the lots constantly fetching stuff. Gee...that kinda brings an end to that vehicle break in argument doesn't it? Sorry for suggesting we champion a cause instead of sitting here bitching an moaning about this and that. For some reason I thought coming together to do something was the American way. I guess it's been updated to burry your head in the sand (or snow as the case may be)...and make personal insults about the person trying to champion the cause when action is suggested. You lot are pathetic!

I don't recal seeing anyone personally attacking you. If you really think that bags in a lodge are a problem then why don't you do something about it other than bitch in a ski forum? Maybe you can get a law passed...

 

[Greg]

Golly gee whiz. I actually suggest that we spark an initiative to do something about getting rid of bags in lodges FOR A REALLY GOOD REASON... that would put an end to your actual pet peaves and solve a major security problem and "the tone has gotten out of hand". I've skiied for 28 years and never left a bag in a lodge or locker and been to dozens of resorts. Well...I must say..must be magic. If people left there crap-o-la in their cars there would be people in the lots constantly fetching stuff. Gee...that kinda brings an end to that vehicle break in argument doesn't it? Sorry for suggesting we champion a cause instead of sitting here bitching an moaning about this and that. For some reason I thought coming together to do something was the American way. I guess it's been updated to burry your head in the sand (or snow as the case may be)...and make personal insults about the person trying to champion the cause when action is suggested. You lot are pathetic!

I think the "tone has gotten out of hand" the minute you started condescending anyone who doesn't share your view................again... :roll::-?

 

[LVNLARG]

I don't recal seeing anyone personally attacking you. If you really think that bags in a lodge are a problem then why don't you do something about it other than bitch in a ski forum? Maybe you can get a law passed...

Well...for a start...I would have to be American to get a law passed. I don't think people should have to try to get laws past when something is a problem anyway....I'm sure a grass roots petition presented from the skiers of the major resorts to the major resorts would be enough to spark change...I was looking to spark fire in people's hearts about a problem to create intelligent conversation about what we could do to solve this problem without dictating what I think the best way would be to go about it. Instead I got insults ("just imagine..some day this guy may have kids") and a collective burrying of heads in the sand by some of the more intelligent people here. I had to explain what could very easily happen and the result (heck...it could even be way worse than that) for people in here who just aren't capable of theorizing or grasping that event actually has potential to occur. The fact a lot of peoples thought's of terroism begin and end with a dumb catch phrases like "Fear makes terrorists winners" made this clear to me.

 

[NHpowderhound]

I have long been an advocate for FREE bag checks and FREE ski checks. Some resorts already have a free ski check but i'm not aware of any that will let you check bags for free.
Skiers and snowboarders come with lots of expensive gear. Most prepeared skiers and riders will bring more gear than they will actually use in the event that they may need it if conditions change. Personally, if I was to leave my bag with my gear in it under a table, anyone could walk away with potentially $1000 worth of equipment between Gore-tex, different wieght fleeces, backup gloves & goggles and different wieght thermal undies. And then when I come in I have to worry about $2000 worth of skis outside! We pay ALOT of money to come to these resorts and I believe they can do more to help protect thier customers without adding another financial burden to them. And I dont think it would bankrupt a resort to make these accomodations.
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[Greg]

Instead I got insults ("just imagine..some day this guy may have kids")

Paranoid, are we? :lol: My feeling is that njdrumrun was referring to the guy in the news articles who picked the fight...

 

[bvibert]

Well...for a start...I would have to be American to get a law passed. I don't think people should have to try to get laws past when something is a problem anyway....I'm sure a grass roots petition presented from the skiers of the major resorts to the major resorts would be enough to spark change...I was looking to spark fire in people's hearts about a problem to create intelligent conversation about what we could do to solve this problem without dictating what I think the best way would be to go about it. Instead I got insults ("just imagine..some day this guy may have kids") and a collective burrying of heads in the sand by some of the more intelligent people here. I had to explain what could very easily happen and the result (heck...it could even be way worse than that) for people in here who just aren't capable of theorizing or grasping that event actually has potential to occur. The fact a lot of peoples thought's of terroism begin and end with a dumb catch phrases like "Fear makes terrorists winners" made this clear to me.

So you're trying to start an intelligent discussion by insulting people?

BTW, clearly this comment;

the frightening part of this is...this young adult is probably going to raise children.

Was made about the young adult in the story, not you... :roll:

 

[JimG.]

Instead I got insults ("just imagine..some day this guy may have kids") and a collective burrying of heads in the sand by some of the more intelligent people here. I had to explain what could very easily happen and the result (heck...it could even be way worse than that) for people in here who just aren't capable of theorizing or grasping that event actually has potential to occur. The fact a lot of peoples thought's of terroism begin and end with a dumb catch phrases like "Fear makes terrorists winners" made this clear to me.

Look, I agree with your main point, and I agree it would be a good idea for resorts to clean up the under the table mess. I don't think the comment about kids was directed at you, but rather to the butthead kid who started the fight at SR.

I'm not a fan of catch phrases either...but alot of times these sayings come about to help folks cope with a stressful situation, not to bury their heads in the sand. Many of us know that something horrible may happen to anyone, anywhere, anytime. But I don't want to live my life worrying all the time either...the stress will kill you too, kind of like a slow death, and that's just as bad.

I'm not taking your comments personally, I think we agree to a large extent. I'm just trying to help you understand why we don't have armed troops standing guard at lodges and liftlines, not that I think you're a proponent of that.

I would suggest using an approach any business would understand...tell the ski area managers that they're losing a fortune by not installing more lockers and telling folks to use them and not put their stuff under the table.

 

[LVNLARG]

So you're trying to start an intelligent discussion by insulting people?

BTW, clearly this comment;

Was made about the young adult in the story, not you... :roll:

Well...since how he didn't direct his insult toward anyone in particular.... but instead placed it below my posts....it's anyone's guess but his as to who he's refering to. Since how it wasn't a quote I could only infer it was made about me as my posts were in the immediate vicinity. Who jumps in with a comment about something 5 pages ago without a quote?

 

[bvibert]

Well...since how he didn't direct his insult toward anyone in particular.... but instead placed it below my posts....it's anyone's guess but his as to who he's refering to. Since how it wasn't a quote I could only infer it was made about me as my posts were in the immediate vicinity. Who jumps in with a comment about something 5 pages ago without a quote?

Last time I checked this thread was about the young adult being a jack-ass at Sunday River, not about you. The user in question was simply replying to the original post. Chances are that he/she didn't even read all the way to the 4th page.

 

[LVNLARG]

I would suggest using an approach any business would understand...tell the ski area managers that they're losing a fortune by not installing more lockers and telling folks to use them and not put their stuff under the table.

Well....that's what we hit them with after we show them the petition of skiers who are sick of it and don't want the added security risk. As I said much earlier...it blows my mind that the insurers havn't dictated this to them already. They send inspectors to lodges with magnifying glasses looking for any possible trip point... but then allow ski resorts to allow their customers to liter the lodge with 2000 trip points? Maybe a petition from us would be best sent to them...there's only a couple companies that do ski resort insurance.

 

[NHpowderhound]

Measure your anger now.
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[skibum9995]

I have long been an advocate for FREE bag checks and FREE ski checks. Some resorts already have a free ski check but i'm not aware of any that will let you check bags for free.

Burke has a free bag check in the Sherburne lodge

 

[thetrailboss]

I'm thinking that this thread is starting to go downhill....no pub intended. So let's get back on another positive thread.

 

[NYDrew]

I like how windham has their lodge lined with free cubbies, they made use of every possible spot.

I have left my bags under a table before, but never claimed a table. My first choices are usually cubbies, window sills or up on some shelf or something, but I hate dealing with lockers and bag checks.

Resorts should just build lots and lots of cubbies. It works. Resorts should also take a step backwards. Charge admission and lower the price of lift to compensate. Perhaps grandma will start thinking twice about coming along and paying $40 to sit at a table and read, maybe even ski (god help us if she skiis like she drives) for the extra $20. And tired grandma is a grandma who can't watch the portable refrigerator, which means more income at the food regesteres, which means hunter can stop charging $45/french fry because they aren't loosing so much money on the Smith's holding thanksgiving dinner on a table meant for a paying customer. Look at all the positives that come from forcing grandma smith to pay $40 to read.

***This is meant with no hard feelings to the older folks in here, and sorry for the low blow on the car joke. But come on, have you ever tried to drive in Ft. Lauderdale? And tell me Grandma isn't almost as annoying as the 20 year old punk marking his territory from the doting father..

(Trying to bring back the peace while keeping a good conversation alive)

 

[airhed316]

I've called in sick twice this week and will be on vacation this coming week. I'll get another nine days in this week. I think my buddies who ski the trees have the right idea. Sneak into the bush, start a small fire and cook a couple foil wrapped leftovers and maybe a beer for lunch. No croud, no tables, no bags, do doubt..

 

[highpeaksdrifter]

I'll get another nine days in this week. .

Wow, I know full time ski bums who don't ski that many days in a week.

 

[airhed316]

Sunday to Sunday was what I meant. How's the conditions at Whiteface? We'll be there and the jump compex March 17-19.

 

[jscott357]

As far as the whole Osama angle goes... I'll start to worry when ASC hires the United Arab Emerites to run their resorts and the government gives 'em the big old thumbs up.