Fight at Sunday River

[Mark_151]

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[LVNLARG]

I've really started to dislike bags under a table - they tend to work themselves out into the aisle a little, and I've tripped over a couple (the buckles on my boots caught on them). It's hard enough navigating the crowds sometimes, and it's a real pain when you need to watch out for stray bags too.

I noticed that Stratton now has a Guest Services person actively telling people there are NO bags allowed to be stowed under tables - there are lockers right there, and a FREE bag check too, good for them!

Nice...Go Stratton! I still like my round-up-all-the-ownerless-bags-and-dump-them-in-a-big-pile-in-the-corner routine. I think ski resort insurers should FORCE ski resorts to clean up their act on this one... A. Allowing this activity to go on created that fight causing the resort to be liable for any injuries that family might have received...along with anyone who trips over said bags. B. Anyone hear about 9/11? If a bag is left lying in an airport the national terror alert level goes to red...never mind the evacuation and platoon of police who show up ?!?! I'd call a lodge full of stray bags and 2000 oblivious people that fully represent values that the terrorists hate the most a soft target if ever I saw one......

 

[JimG.]

Anyone hear about 9/11? If a bag is left lying in an airport the national terror alert level goes to red...never mind the evacuation and platoon of police who show up ?!?! I'd call a lodge full of stray bags and 2000 oblivious people that fully represent values that the terrorists hate the most a soft target if ever I saw one......

I've mentioned this exact point to ski area management and got a quizzical look followed by the big blow off. Terrorists don't ski, and we'd be able to pick them out in a second.

Terrorists didn't fly until 9/11, and I doubt that they would sport long beards and wear flowing robes and headgear if they were to try blowing up a ski lodge.

Now that you have chimed in with the same sentiment, I must make it a point to stay out of the lodge on crowded days.

 

[LVNLARG]

I've mentioned this exact point to ski area management and got a quizzical look followed by the big blow off. Terrorists don't ski, and we'd be able to pick them out in a second.

Terrorists didn't fly until 9/11, and I doubt that they would sport long beards and wear flowing robes and headgear if they were to try blowing up a ski lodge.

Now that you have chimed in with the same sentiment, I must make it a point to stay out of the lodge on crowded days.

Due to the previously mentioned oblivious, zombi-like state (including staff) of the people I see in ski lodges....I dare say Osama himself could drag a 300 lb bag filled with plastic explosive and ball-bearings into the middle of the lodge and leave without anyone even batting an eyelash. Scary Shite!

 

[tirolerpeter]

Bags & Tables

I find it absurd that people leave bags under tables. Many areas have hooks, cubbies, or just space on ledges along walls. I'm comfortable leaving a bag there. Tables should never have bags under them, and to believe that you "mark your territory" with a bag or shoes is truly childish. Ski areas could do a better job of providing stowage areas like cubbies. I like the ones at Windham, but they need more of them. As for the A-hole who attacked the person in the original posting; he would have spent some time explaining things to to local police if it were me he had jumped. BTW, he might also have spent some time nursing some aching gonads too.

 

[bigbog]

Indoor lockers/cubbyholes are too small...imo

The bags under the table are, IMO, a serious annoyance. But certainly, no one "owns" a table for a day unless it's occupied.

Not only have the skiracks outside been a great move, so needed are numerous LARGE baggage racks/cubbyholes...that need to be guarded...as is with the outside ski racks. If large enough, the resorts could make more $$$...and with more convenient lockers/cubbyholes, I think people would pay the $$$ for convenience and security. I can't think of anyone I know that complains about $2+ for an AM coffee...

 

[YardSaleDad]

.I dare say Osama himself could drag a 300 lb bag filled with plastic explosive and ball-bearings into the middle of the lodge and leave without anyone even batting an eyelash. Scary Shite!

You are far more likely to be killed by a tree at a ski resort than a terrorist. Giving in to the fear only helps the terrorists.

 

[kbroderick]

I definitely agree that bags under a table do *not* claim the table for the day, but many lodges lack adequate storage facilities other than the under-the-table routine. I've definitely left a bag under a table in Sunday River's Barker Lodge (amongst other places) while out on the hill, and it was never because I *wanted* to--I'd rather use a cubby or a shelf if possible, as they tend to get less dripped upon, but more often than not I remember leaving my bag under a table.

As far as the risk of someone planting an explosive device...I think that's fairly remote, and I think there are probably other options that would be at least as effective if you wanted to target a ski resort while also reducing the visibility of the attacker (and no, I'm not going to list them). And having stuff in cubbies or lockers doesn't solve this problem, anyhow.

 

[JimG.]

You are far more likely to be killed by a tree at a ski resort than a terrorist. Giving in to the fear only helps the terrorists.

Not giving into fear here...but I admit I'm suspicious of alot in public places now. I stay frosty and alert at all times.

I have my wife and kids to worry about too. If they kill me I won't even know it, but if my wife or kids got hurt then I would have to take corrective action against the perpetrators and would likely end up in jail.

I can handle the tree killing me, that's already almost happened anyway.

 

[billski]

oops

The punk was probably given everything he wanted when he was growing up, so he was "entitled" to that table.

On your way out to the lift, grab ONE of the punk's skis, or his board and put it on the OPPOSITE side of the building.:flame:






jest kiddin'.....

 

[billski]

pous

Due to the previously mentioned oblivious, zombi-like state (including staff) of the people I see in ski lodges....I dare say Osama himself could drag a 300 lb bag filled with plastic explosive and ball-bearings into the middle of the lodge and leave without anyone even batting an eyelash. Scary Shite!

but... I've never heard the Federal Government declare a ski resort as a strategic asset

 

[LVNLARG]

You are far more likely to be killed by a tree at a ski resort than a terrorist. Giving in to the fear only helps the terrorists.

Giving in to fear? J.C....who are you...GWB? Buddy....I would be the guy to actually spot the terrorist dropping off the bag in the lodge and take the initiative to detain him and get everyone out of the lodge...including your oblivious lost self. You completely missed the point ...the point was allowing bags to be dumped all over the place in this day and age in a space of mass gathering is mere stupidity for a variety of reasons...only one of which is the fact it may explode and kill you. That's not giving into fear...that's everyone chipping in to make a stand to stop the culture of stupid that makes being a terrorist possible. Think terrorist attacks only happen on transportation systems? There's a lot of dead people in Bali that beg to differ. Being STUPID is what helps the terrorists.

 

[LVNLARG]

Not giving into fear here...but I admit I'm suspicious of alot in public places now. I stay frosty and alert at all times.

I have my wife and kids to worry about too. If they kill me I won't even know it, but if my wife or kids got hurt then I would have to take corrective action against the perpetrators and would likely end up in jail.

I can handle the tree killing me, that's already almost happened anyway.

Glad I'm not the only one. I was waiting for the elevator to go down to Niagra falls last year in a group of people ...in a plain white room...nothing to see....just a waiting room for the "ride". There's a 20 something year old middle-eastern guy in line videotaping EVERYTHING in the room. I pointed this out to the people I was with and they were like "what's your point?" Again...J.C. !

 

[LVNLARG]

but... I've never heard the Federal Government declare a ski resort as a strategic asset

They will after bombs simultaniously explode at 20 resorts coast-to-coast killing 30,000 people ....essentially bringing an end to the ski industry in the US and further melt down in the economy........ I'm not a worry wart or a fear monger.....but wouldn't you want to do something...if for no other reason than the fact it could essentially bring our beloved sport to an end? I personally would like to initiate doing something...not for the selfish reason of protecting my sport....but to honor the hero's of Flight 93. They did something. We have the opportunity to due something before it's too late for us.

 

[Greg]

Who's going skiing this weekend?

 

[njdrumrun]

the frightening part of this is...this young adult is probably going to raise children.

 

[JimG.]

Who's going skiing this weekend?

Really...the tone here has gotten a little over the edge at this point.

 

[tekweezle]

>>I think people would pay the $$$ for convenience and security.

the issue is that people would NOT pay. let;s face it, skiing is expensive and anything that costs extra is a hassle.

there is so much "trust factor" involved in skiing. Trust that nobody is going to swipe your skis in a rack of $1000 skis and snowboards or off the side of a shuttle bus. Trust that no one is going to break into your vehicle loaded with luggage and equipment in a parking lot full of the same vehicles. but anyone thinking that just because their bags are under a table, it entitles them to save it for the entire day is fooling themselves.

 

[shenty]

Who's going skiing this weekend?

I am (leaving work in 33 minutes to head up North [that's 4:00 for the people who didn't get to read this right after I posted it])

 

[LVNLARG]

Golly gee whiz. I actually suggest that we spark an initiative to do something about getting rid of bags in lodges FOR A REALLY GOOD REASON... that would put an end to your actual pet peaves and solve a major security problem and "the tone has gotten out of hand". I've skiied for 28 years and never left a bag in a lodge or locker and been to dozens of resorts. Well...I must say..must be magic. If people left there crap-o-la in their cars there would be people in the lots constantly fetching stuff. Gee...that kinda brings an end to that vehicle break in argument doesn't it? Sorry for suggesting we champion a cause instead of sitting here bitching an moaning about this and that. For some reason I thought coming together to do something was the American way. I guess it's been updated to burry your head in the sand (or snow as the case may be)...and make personal insults about the person trying to champion the cause when action is suggested. You lot are pathetic!