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Killington-Pico Interconnect...

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(The thead about NEP inspired me to post this)

Many of you may be aware that Killington was planning to connect themselves to Pico back in the mid-late 90's. Les Otten (ASC) bought Pico shortly after aquiring S.K.I. Ltd. The plan was to install 2 lifts and 110 acres of skiing on the ridge between Rams Head and Pico Peak, in conjunction with building a base Village in the Killington basin area. Then later, two more lifts, one down to Killington road, and another serving advanced terrain in the middle of the ridge (all permitted in act 250). Potentially, the skier visits target was 1,400,000 per year at the combined resort.

They got as far as building a road to nowhere in '97, a large traverse from the side of Pico down to below Rams Head. It can be seen from the top of Killington. Don't bother going out there, the interconnect is flat, there's no good skiing, trust me. They really need to cut some trails.

Anyway, they ran out of money, couldn't build the village, and shelved the interconnect for the last 12 years. POWDR rolled into town, bought the resort, and has their own plans. They want SP Land to build a Village, however, they seem to think the Interconnect is not part of this plan. The interconnect is supposedly on hold for at least another 5 years.

The inteconnect should cost $10M or so as planned for the first phase of the buildout. One fixed grip lift, on HSQ, trail cutting, snowmaking and additional parking at Pico. Maybe $25M total for 2 more lifts, more trails, and a mid mountain lodge. Thus, this a big chunk of change and something that they have to save up for.

Looking at the terrain, I've presented idea of a limited, low cost interconnect several times. It is possible to cut a traverse off the side of the Rams Head quad that would take you over to the south shoulder of Pico. Then a lift is needed to get you up Pico. There is more than enough natual snow for traverses and natural snow trails/cut glades at that elevation, they run snowmoblie tours up there. This could probably be done for about $2M or so.

Either option would truely combine them into one resort, creating by far the largest resort in the east.

Question is, how interested are you in the interconnect? The full plan or a basic plan? Would it make you ski Killington more often, or keep you there as a customer? Would you ski Pico more often? What do you think?
 

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If I was pass holder, I'd like to see it happen without question. As a day skier, I don't as Pico is more affordable and I'm sure the connection would end that.. I enjoyed my day there earlier this winter and will be back for a second visit later this month. It was $32 through my ski club as opposed to $48. At the $48 ticket level, I can also ski at either Sugarbush or Stowe, both of which I'd rather ski then Killington any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

Now, if the interconnect improved the chances that Killington will start skiing through May again, then yes, I'd be behind it 100%.
 

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Are you ever going to stop crying about the freaking interconnect.


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The interconnect will be built when the village is built. As for the "road to nowhere", the pipe to the Rutland sewage treatment plant is buried under it. The trail is a skiable green, nothing special, other than the massive amount of earth and stone moved to build it. There is a trail map floating around that James Niehues did that shows NEP, Killington, the Interconnect, and Pico. That road is one of the trails.
 

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I might be interested more in a Slidebrook type option, in attempt to keep the character of Pico but still make it so I can actually ski both areas if I want to invest the time of the two rides. In keeping with their intention of making Killington a higher-end product, I don't see the cheap option happening. And assuming $8-10 million in development per season, I'm thinking South Ridge and Snowdown lifts get replaced and lodges get renovated first, along with basically getting to the point where they only use the old snowmaking equipment for warm weather snowmaking where the low energy guns don't do as well. Plus I'm sure a bunch of stuff we don't really have visability to. 5 years before the interconnect seems to make sense.
 

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I think even if Killington did go through with the interconnect, they wouldn't see 1.4 mil skier visits. Because so many other areas have improved so much and stolen market share in the past ten years, I just don't see that expansion stealing that many riders back. It will generate interest for sure, but Killington's competitive advantage of being the biggest place around isn't what it once was with other areas improving and expanding as much as they have.
 

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At the moment, Killington doesn't have the skier visits to justify expanding. It costs big money to blow snow, operate lifts, groom, and patrol extra acres. I'm actually surprised they're running as many lifts as they do midweek given how tight they are with operating costs under the new ownership.
 

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I think even if Killington did go through with the interconnect, they wouldn't see 1.4 mil skier visits. Because so many other areas have improved so much and stolen market share in the past ten years, I just don't see that expansion stealing that many riders back. It will generate interest for sure, but Killington's competitive advantage of being the biggest place around isn't what it once was with other areas improving and expanding as much as they have.

to expand on that just a bit, i dont think people are neccessarily looking for the "biggest" resort anymore.
 

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Never said it was, just said I'd be interested in it. Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, is it?

No, not a chance because it makes absolutely no sense for them to install a cross-lift. Logic isn't exactly your strong suit....
 

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Should do it or it is it even possible now?

The interconnect could be done very easily. One lift from the back side of Pico. A couple of trails to start. Make the sewer line trail connect for skiing to rams head and a trail from top of rams head to base of new lift. Some real nice terrain in the bowl between Pico and rams head. Get it started and go from there. Pico is a gold mine that has not been tapped yet. Great access off of rte. 4. Alot of potentional? I think. If you ever get any time go out and hike some it of this summer. Terrain is awesome. Not sure, have the permits expired for that area now? If people come then start building beds and lodges. Longer the K waits the more visits will be lost to other resorts. The K is getting stale and needs some improvements to keep up with the industry. One sad point the infrastructure now needs alot of up keep which will probaly set them back even more.
 

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not for the interconnect, i like killington for what it is and pico how it is, and that is that
 

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I rather see the current infrastructure repaired and more utilized. I don't necessarily think more terrain is better - one of the reasons they closed NEP besides the one's we have mentioned is simply because the mountain was too big at the time and they could barely get all the snowmaking terrain open by the time they were ready to start scaling back for spring - or so it seemed.

I think I rather see some of the snowmaking repaired that has gone into disuse (lower Pipe Dream and Valley Plunge come to mind), and replace a lift on Snowdon.
 
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