SkiADK Gone?

[ComeBackMudPuddles]

MudPuddles, in your first post you rip everyone you mentioned a new asshole as if everything is always clear cut and no one ever makes a mistake.

Your 2nd post is "Thanks for everything Greg" and "I'm a big believer in 2nd chances".

Which is it? Maybe you should get down off your high horse, the air might be a little too thin up their and is causing you to make conflicting comments.

"rip everyone you mentioned a new asshole"....Nice, good to see the old Whiteface board "moderator" in action setting an example for all of us.

To me, the two posts didn't conflict at all. I thanked Greg for his efforts (it's not like I'm going to go and run a board to discuss WF and Gore), acknowledged that it's tough moderating a public forum and affirmed his right to do whatever he wants, but I expressed my opinion, since I think a good number of people invested quite a bit of time in making a community at the WF/Gore boards, that his reasons for shutting the boards down were petty and his overt support of Pat was inconsistent with his bashing of FHW and his crew.

 

[Greg]

I'm glad I'm not Greg right now, and I thank him for his hard work.

No need to feel sorry for me.

Yes, I locked this thread for a bit, but HPD wanted to respond as well so I unlocked. Perhaps hashing this out and giving the innocent members a place to vent is good.

I really don't know why Pat keeps getting drawn into this. His offensive posts were made one night over the course of a couple hours. They were deleted early the next morning. I'm pretty sure he didn't have the plan to revisit and flame some more. I told him not to and if he did I would have banned his account.

In any event, I've reflected on this over the past few days and it's become apparent that many legitimate users were caught in the crossfire, especially the Gore guys. Again, when I yanked the plug on it, part of it was a "take that" to FHW and co. and I really didn't consider who else it would effect. For that, I'm sorry. With that said, I'm not 100% opposed to reopening the board. However, the "new" SkiADK would be run similar to AZ and of course FHW and co. would be banned. Also, I would need some volunteers for moderators; perhaps two - one for Gore and one for Whiteface, and these members would agree to uphold the same standard as AZ. HPD - you're certainly welcome to stay on board as a moderator, but perhaps just acting as a contributory member is better? I'm not sure if I can get ORDA to relink to it from whiteface.com but it's a possibility.

Anyway, I'm not saying the lights will come back on today or even this week, but if there is enough interest I'll reconsider. Feel free to discuss.

 

[highpeaksdrifter]

In the end, I think you disregarded the majority of people properly using the forum because your feelings were hurt by three or four idiots. .

Sorry the word a**hole offended you, but we are pretty much all adults here and I thought the expression appropriate.

Maybe some people are offended by name calling.

I was expressing my opinion and nobody here cares about any example I or anyone else sets. We're not children and can make up out own minds.

As far as setting an example and watching what I say I held back a ton of things I wanted to put out there when I was a mod. I was always trying to be the guy trying to get everybody to get a long. It didn't work, I failed, that's why the forum is closed.

I have nothing against you, I thought you where a good contributor at ADK. We can leave it at that or not it's up to you.

 

[ComeBackMudPuddles]

No need to feel sorry for me.

Yes, I locked this thread for a bit, but HPD wanted to respond as well so I unlocked. Perhaps hashing this out and giving the innocent members a place to vent is good.

I really don't know why Pat keeps getting drawn into this. His offensive posts were made one night over the course of a couple hours. They were deleted early the next morning. I'm pretty sure he didn't have the plan to revisit and flame some more. I told him not to and if he did I would have banned his account.

In any event, I've reflected on this over the past few days and it's become apparent that many legitimate users were caught in the crossfire, especially the Gore guys. Again, when I yanked the plug on it, part of it was a "take that" to FHW and co. and I really didn't consider who else it would effect. For that, I'm sorry. With that said, I'm not 100% opposed to reopening the board. However, the "new" SkiADK would be run similar to AZ and of course FHW and co. would be banned. Also, I would need some volunteers for moderators; perhaps two - one for Gore and one for Whiteface, and these members would agree to uphold the same standard as AZ. HPD - you're certainly welcome to stay on board as a moderator, but perhaps just acting as a contributory member is better? I'm not sure if I can get ORDA to relink to it from whiteface.com but it's a possibility.

Anyway, I'm not saying the lights will come back on today or even this week, but if there is enough interest I'll reconsider. Feel free to discuss.

Greg,

Thanks for that. I'm by NO means the #1 contributor to the old boards, but I liked them, especially since I'm far from the area right now and they made me feel "linked" to WF/Gore a bit more.

This thought probably isn't in my interest, but it seems like nothing could stop FHW and crew from signing up again under new email accounts, so I wonder if what you're proposing could work. If the board could be reopened, but only under the condition that FHW and crew don't contribute, it might not be worth trying. Then again, if FHW and crew's only goal is to get under your skin, I suppose they could do so over here, too.

Anyway, thanks again. I plan on checking these boards out some to see if I can get my fix. There definitely seem to be a lot more people over here, so it might work out better in the end for me!

 

[Greg]

In the end, I think you disregarded the majority of people properly using the forum because your feelings were hurt by three or four idiots. That's a little sad, especially since I've read (as a guest) much worse threads in terms of content on this site (but, none of them personally attacked you, so I guess they're OK).

You make some points and I'd like to respond here. Part of what bugged me the most was how FHW and company never showed any appreciation for the time and money out of my pocket that it took to set up that board. I didn't need/want any ass kissing by any means, but being flamed by a bunch of ingrates did suck. And over time a few more jumped on the FHW bandwagon. Plus I knew that it was putting HPD in a difficult position and as a friend of mine now, I didn't like that either. It's really a shame that the FHW crew never considered that part. Anyway, no my feelings weren't hurt by the individual comments (again, I out-debated them most of the time and more often than not made them look like the idiots), but the cumulative effect over the course of 18 months did wear on me.

 

[ComeBackMudPuddles]

Sorry the word a**hole offended you, but we are pretty much all adults here and I thought the expression appropriate.

Maybe some people are offended by name calling.

I was expressing my opinion and nobody here cares about any example I or anyone else sets. We're not children and can make up out own minds.

As far as setting an example and watching what I say I held back a ton of things I wanted to put out there when I was a mod. I was always trying to be the guy trying to get everybody to get a long. It didn't work, I failed, that's why the forum is closed.

I have nothing against you, I thought you where a good contributor at ADK. We can leave it at that or not it's up to you.

No prob, HPD, and thanks for the kind words. I think you did as good a job as could be expected (although I never figured out why tfj67 got away with as much as he did). I didn't mean to call you out in the previous post, I was just illustrating how difficult it can be dictate "lines not to cross" when the lines seem to be dictated more by personal feelings rather than a (relatively) more objective "no swear words"/no flaming standard.

However, it seems to me that some members do post pictures of their kids on this site, so, presumably, their kids also check this site. Maybe profanity is something we can all live without? Of course, these boards have been around a long time, so my opinion is just that, and I'm not criticizing anyone or angling for a fight.

 

[ComeBackMudPuddles]

You make some points and I'd like to respond here. Part of what bugged me the most was how FHW and company never showed any appreciation for the time and money out of my pocket that it took to set up that board. I didn't need/want any ass kissing by any means, but being flamed by a bunch of ingrates did suck. And over time a few more jumped on the FHW bandwagon. Plus I knew that it was putting HPD in a difficult position and as a friend of mine now, I didn't like that either. It's really a shame that the FHW crew never considered that part. Anyway, no my feelings weren't hurt by the individual comments (again, I out-debated them most of the time and more often than not made them look like the idiots), but the cumulative effect over the course of 18 months did wear on me.

All excellent points. I clearly don't know the whole story. I might have tried banning them before taking the whole site down, but I also haven't spent 1% of the time on these sites as you have, and I haven't paid for anything, either.

 

[jack97]

..... Part of what bugged me the most was how FHW and company never showed any appreciation for the time and money out of my pocket that it took to set up that board. I didn't need/want any ass kissing by any means, but being flamed by a bunch of ingrates did suck.

Exactly, when you go to someone's house, you don't trash the place.

 

[Jack the Ripper]

No need to feel sorry for me.

Yes, I locked this thread for a bit, but HPD wanted to respond as well so I unlocked. Perhaps hashing this out and giving the innocent members a place to vent is good.

I really don't know why Pat keeps getting drawn into this. His offensive posts were made one night over the course of a couple hours. They were deleted early the next morning. I'm pretty sure he didn't have the plan to revisit and flame some more. I told him not to and if he did I would have banned his account.

In any event, I've reflected on this over the past few days and it's become apparent that many legitimate users were caught in the crossfire, especially the Gore guys. Again, when I yanked the plug on it, part of it was a "take that" to FHW and co. and I really didn't consider who else it would effect. For that, I'm sorry. With that said, I'm not 100% opposed to reopening the board. However, the "new" SkiADK would be run similar to AZ and of course FHW and co. would be banned. Also, I would need some volunteers for moderators; perhaps two - one for Gore and one for Whiteface, and these members would agree to uphold the same standard as AZ. HPD - you're certainly welcome to stay on board as a moderator, but perhaps just acting as a contributory member is better? I'm not sure if I can get ORDA to relink to it from whiteface.com but it's a possibility.

Anyway, I'm not saying the lights will come back on today or even this week, but if there is enough interest I'll reconsider. Feel free to discuss.

You played right into their hands with that move. The Gore posters and the majority of the WF posters had nothing to do with any of the flaming and have taken the worst of it. You think FreeHeel and company give a rat's ass that the SKIADK got shut down? That's what they were hoping for. IMHO you should bring those boards back up. Don't punish those whose only crime was visiting a site dedicated to the places they love to ski and ride.

 

[highpeaksdrifter]

HPD - you're certainly welcome to stay on board as a moderator, but perhaps just acting as a contributory member is better?

Thanks, but I think a new mod is a good idea too. I was thinking about it even before the lastest events there. I will definately be a contributor and look forward to it being back up.:-D

 

[Greg]

Okay, well sit tight everybody. I was considering converting both SkiADK and SkiMRV from phpBB to vBulletin this spring anyway which will give me and the new mods much better control. This may be a good opportunity to do so. It might not happen immediately, but hopefully I can get the SkiADK board back up before too long. This "downtime" may be a good opportunity to improve not only how the board is run, but the software running behind it.

 

[mattchuck2]

Thanks Greg . . .

And the people that are saying that the Gore board didn't get many posts are right. They didn't get many posts at all, but the posts that did go up were great, whether they be Jimmer's midweek reports, previews of coming events, or weekenders impressions of the past Saturday's conditions. That's the kind of thing that people like, though. And I'm sure that a lot of people who used the board for information never registered and never posted at all. It wasn't a forum for name-calling, pointless arguments or dick-measuring; It was a forum for skiers giving information to other skiers. And that's what we're missing.

If it does ever get started up again, though, don't be surprised if you don't get a lot of posts on the Gore board. We don't talk much, but we ski hard . . . If we want to write up a post at the end of the day, then maybe we will, maybe we won't . . . That's kind of the way we like it.

 

[tjf67]

No need to feel sorry for me.

Yes, I locked this thread for a bit, but HPD wanted to respond as well so I unlocked. Perhaps hashing this out and giving the innocent members a place to vent is good.

I really don't know why Pat keeps getting drawn into this. His offensive posts were made one night over the course of a couple hours. They were deleted early the next morning. I'm pretty sure he didn't have the plan to revisit and flame some more. I told him not to and if he did I would have banned his account.

In any event, I've reflected on this over the past few days and it's become apparent that many legitimate users were caught in the crossfire, especially the Gore guys. Again, when I yanked the plug on it, part of it was a "take that" to FHW and co. and I really didn't consider who else it would effect. For that, I'm sorry. With that said, I'm not 100% opposed to reopening the board. However, the "new" SkiADK would be run similar to AZ and of course FHW and co. would be banned. Also, I would need some volunteers for moderators; perhaps two - one for Gore and one for Whiteface, and these members would agree to uphold the same standard as AZ. HPD - you're certainly welcome to stay on board as a moderator, but perhaps just acting as a contributory member is better? I'm not sure if I can get ORDA to relink to it from whiteface.com but it's a possibility.

Anyway, I'm not saying the lights will come back on today or even this week, but if there is enough interest I'll reconsider. Feel free to discuss.

What are you in kindergarden. You let those two pull you into it. There is no going back now. You are supposed to be the business person, to act out of spite the way you did friday you burned your bridges.
You had a personal beef with a few people evidently myself included and you cut your families income. I dont know but the way i do business the more someone pisses you off the more polite you get. The best revenge is to sell them something that produces huge profits

 

[tjf67]

No prob, HPD, and thanks for the kind words. I think you did as good a job as could be expected (although I never figured out why tfj67 got away with as much as he did). I didn't mean to call you out in the previous post, I was just illustrating how difficult it can be dictate "lines not to cross" when the lines seem to be dictated more by personal feelings rather than a (relatively) more objective "no swear words"/no flaming standard.

However, it seems to me that some members do post pictures of their kids on this site, so, presumably, their kids also check this site. Maybe profanity is something we can all live without? Of course, these boards have been around a long time, so my opinion is just that, and I'm not criticizing anyone or angling for a fight.

The only thing I did was point out your negativity, your still a tool.

 

[Harvey]

Gore Forum

Not sure how you measure the value of a forum. Is number of posts the key? To me, it seemed that when ever there was even a remote chance of accumulating snow, or snowmaking, in the forecast, the Gore faithful were posting or lurking.

Whiteface probably did have more total posts. That may have something to do with the lack of a traditional "nightlife" in North Creek. The things we posted on were the skiing, the weather, the bumps contest or the planned expansion. Once we ran a thread over there about the AGE of the regulars. Matt was one of the youngest, in his twenties. There were a few teenagers....most of the gang was pushin 50 (like me). My nightlife was next to the woodstove rememberin today and plottin tomorrow.

All winter, every winter, since 1988, I'll sit here at my desk in the flatlands, dreamin about the next time I'll dash under the rope at Pine Knot and head for the quad. Before I found that board, I'd sit and try to analyze info from the NWS to determine whether or not to skip out and head north. This winter with direct reports from AdkKeith, Goreviper and Jimmer, I didn't miss much. At LEAST three times this year there was GREEN on the radar, but WHITE on the hill.

Saint Patty's was the best...."Hell on the Highway, Heaven on the Hill."

More Gore Please.

Harv

 

[tjf67]

where did i gloat? show me the post.

If you knew anything, you would know i had NOTHING to do with skiadk being shut down. Come down off your high horse anytime.

The fact of the matter is this.

1/ greg left the posts up after he looked at them. He eventualy took them down but it was after 8. You could see he was viewing then he logged off. The post were still up.

2/ 2knees or whatever you screen name is. You are a contributing factor to the loss of income greg incurred. Congrats there buddy.

3/ you should be banned according to the rules. I do however understand the dont apply fairly to everyone.

 

[BeanoNYC]

You are supposed to be the business person, to act out of spite the way you did friday you burned your bridges.
You had a personal beef with a few people evidently myself included and you cut your families income.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that SKIADK was not in the black and the grief was certainly not worth Greg's time. You act as if these forums are about to go IPO. :roll:

Silly boy.

 

[BushMogulMaster]

3/ you should be banned according to the rules. I do however understand the dont apply fairly to everyone.

You're right... they don't apply the same. That's because over the past 3 years and 1,167 posts here, 2knees has established himself as a highly valuable contributing member, well-reputed and well-respected. Did he make the right choice in this case? No. But because he has established himself as an honorable person, one bad decision can be overlooked as long is it doesn't happen again. I'm not advocating doing something wrong just because you have a good rep, but what's done is done, and 2k is still a respectable guy in my book.

By the way, since Greg wrote the rules and runs the board, he is empowered to interpret them as he wants, and change/modify them as necessary. Don't like it? Make your own board and leave him alone.

2/ 2knees or whatever you screen name is. You are a contributing factor to the loss of income greg incurred. Congrats there buddy.

Have you read any of the previous posts? Greg AND HPD have both explained that 2knees was not a contributor to the board's decline. I'm not sure how you can still place the blame on one guy for 8 posts (or whatever) when the gang of several regulars has been doing it for years. What's with the double standard? If it doesn't support your argument, ignore it? Is that what you're saying? It just doesn't make sense to me.

I think Greg and HPD have explained this situation well, and 2knees has admitted his faults in the matter. I don't know why people continue to attack them.

I have a great George Carlin line I'd love to throw in here, but it's definitely what some of you would consider "offensive." So I'll refrain.

 

[BeanoNYC]

I'm not sure how you can still place the blame on one guy for 8 posts (or whatever) when the gang of several regulars has been doing it for years. What's with the double standard?

He's Displacing.

You had a personal beef with a few people evidently myself included and you cut your families income.

Evidently a Troll there as well. :roll:

 

[jimmer]

greg
thanks for even thinking about starting adk back up, i hope you can pull it off. but you know those boys will be back, ya just gotta ignore , or find a way to ban there butts, allthough i dont like banning someone , unless its truly worthy. i remember a post where those guys were raggin on you and i said something about it , you said no worries that they were good people, and that wasnt that long ago, mid winter i think, well it turns out they wernt as good as you thought.


as you can see there are alot of us that really liked that site and the work you and hpd did, so i thank you for that.