The Mogul Addiction

[2knees]

The nice thing about the newer style bump skiing is that it's easier on the knees. A truly quiet upper body means that your legs aren't constantly stopping the movement of your upper body, which in turn means they're applying no more force than when you're standing up. They're just moving fast.

I've heard lots of different explanations of bump skiing but this is a new one for me.


You truly pulled that one right out of your a$$ :razz:

 

[drjeff]

It's just probably easier to pick out the top notch bump skiers than the top notch carvers because there's much more going on visually with a bumper than a carver. Knees going up and down constantly, quick turns, while the upper body just stays still is easy to pick out. Someone making that perfectly carved turn is harder to pick out relative to someone that can carve decently, because the difference is one of precision.

Not so sure about this with the tougher distinction between a top level carver from the general public and a top level bumper from the general public. Most of the time, if you have a top level racer, especially a top level slalom skier, they're going to be a top level carver relative to the general public. Watching them lay railroad tracks in the snow, it's very easy to see that they can do what most can't, and there aren't alot of folks that can do that. Same thing with the elite bumper. You might end up seeing more elite carvers than elite bumpers, but that's just simply because on most hills on any given day you'll have more carvers than bumpers.

Portionately though that elite level carver is about as rare as that elite level bumper on any given hill IMHO. Unless of course you're Highwaystar

 

[mondeo]

I've heard lots of different explanations of bump skiing but this is a new one for me.


You truly pulled that one right out of your a$$ :razz:

Just basic physics. ΣF=ma. If the upper body is not accelerating, than the sum of forces is zero. Gravity one direction, force applied from the legs in the other. Just like standing.

The trick is getting your upper body that quiet; it requires perfect A&E, and sometimes isn't physically possible (when the amplitude of the bumps exceeds the range of motion of the legs.) And you still are applying force within the legs, the legs just aren't applying more force externally than when standing. And the muscles may take up more of the force relative to the bone, but I'm not physiologist.

Furthermore, when you're standing you're not doing any work, and your legs aren't producing power. Because you're moving while providing the force in the case of skiing, work and power are non-zero.

Wasn't talking out of my a$$, just being a complete nerd.

 

[Geoff]

Not so sure about this with the tougher distinction between a top level carver from the general public and a top level bumper from the general public. Most of the time, if you have a top level racer, especially a top level slalom skier, they're going to be a top level carver relative to the general public. Watching them lay railroad tracks in the snow, it's very easy to see that they can do what most can't, and there aren't alot of folks that can do that. Same thing with the elite bumper. You might end up seeing more elite carvers than elite bumpers, but that's just simply because on most hills on any given day you'll have more carvers than bumpers.

Portionately though that elite level carver is about as rare as that elite level bumper on any given hill IMHO. Unless of course you're Highwaystar

Midweek at Killington, neither is particularly rare. Between the coaches, the mountain school kids, and the locals, there are always 30 people around who absolutely smoke Highway Star which is why his claim is so laughable. You can watch the racers train on Highline Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday. They're on Needles Eye on Wednesdays when the ski bum race is on Highline. The mountain school put two kids in nationals at Squaw for bumps where they competed against their coaches. Another qualified but was injured. On Wednesday, there are a dozen locals at the ski bum race who are really strong. Any of those dozen also rip the crap out of the zipper line. On a powder day, everybody affiliated with the mountain school is out tearing up the trees. It's amazing watching a dozen of 'em fly through Julio in a pack. Some are racers. Some are bumpers. They all have the skills.

 

[ozzy]

Midweek at Killington, neither is particularly rare. Between the coaches, the mountain school kids, and the locals, there are always 30 people around who absolutely smoke Highway Star which is why his claim is so laughable. You can watch the racers train on Highline Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday. They're on Needles Eye on Wednesdays when the ski bum race is on Highline. The mountain school put two kids in nationals at Squaw for bumps where they competed against their coaches. Another qualified but was injured. On Wednesday, there are a dozen locals at the ski bum race who are really strong. Any of those dozen also rip the crap out of the zipper line. On a powder day, everybody affiliated with the mountain school is out tearing up the trees. It's amazing watching a dozen of 'em fly through Julio in a pack. Some are racers. Some are bumpers. They all have the skills.

Monday is usually a rest day after weekend comps and races and friday is sometimes a travel day. I would appreciate it if you would plse pay closer attention. tia

 

[snoseek]

Seeded bumps aren't all that different of a concept than groomers IMO

 

[Greg]

Seeded bumps aren't all that different of a concept than groomers IMO

Ha! Interesting take on it.