Agree with this. Vail's stance makes 100% sense in this case and this is exactly why they use an insurance company to handle claims like this. There's a lot you can fault Vail for...but this isn't one of them.
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VAIL SUCKS
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Agree with this. Vail's stance makes 100% sense in this case and this is exactly why they use an insurance company to handle claims like this. There's a lot you can fault Vail for...but this isn't one of them.
gmcunni
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somebody has to pay for the increased salary being paid to all the workers.
Zermatt
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No, they're trying to protect against insurance fraud. Based on the amount of people at Vail who think pass fraud is cool I'd expect insurance fraud to be high on the list as well.
The !~7% won't really cover the salary and isn't enough to lower the crowding issue some mountains have. The lower priced 1-7 day passes are likely going to make crowding at some even worse.
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Are those $44 tickets going to be all
Season at Wildcat? If so, that’s a bit of a game changer.
Season at Wildcat? If so, that’s a bit of a game changer.
If you buy them via the Epic Day pass...but those are only for sale as long as Epic passes themselves are for sale.
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Who knows what conditions are so far out, so pretty useless to most. A nice effort though by Vail though, I will give them that.
KustyTheKlown
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you dont choose your day on the epic day pass, its an any-day product. you're just buying individual days in advance at a discount instead of a full pass. I'm slightly tempted to get a few days at stowe. but no.
It's very tempting. I could see myself buying a couple in the future. But, I'll likely give it a year to see if operational improvements have happened as they're promising. It's obviously very little risk to buy them for next season. It's more an ethical decision for me not to at this point.
I'd also consider getting a higher tiered VT day ticket for early season. That's really the only downside to Indy. Limited early season options plus not wanting to burn one of two days on WROD.
Not really useless at all. They're valid any day of the season (or any non-blackout day depending on which level ticket you buy). You don't have to decide on the date to use them until you show up at the mountain. Not really any different than buying a Sugarbush Quad Pack, or K-Ticket, or a Ski Vermont 4 Pass,. etc... Quite a few people buy all of those various pre-paid discounted tickets.
Exactly the Epic 1-7 passes are really just like any pre-paid pack but bundled as 'pass' and counted by Vail as a pass sold. Either way, I don't see the crowd issues seen/experienced this year going away next year.
I'm somewhat locked into an Epic unless I want to try exchanging my two timeshare weeks out at Vail for another mountain, but out east I'm debating other options to avoid some of the crowds.
I'm somewhat locked into an Epic unless I want to try exchanging my two timeshare weeks out at Vail for another mountain, but out east I'm debating other options to avoid some of the crowds.
Smellytele
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Stay at vail and take the drive over the pass to copper/abasin or drive up to steamboat.
If I get an Ikon for out east we'll 100% be hitting other mountains since the local only has 10 days at Vail/BC we generally hit Breck or Keystone anyhow.
I'm just in the camp I wish Vail would consider crowds especially on the trail as a safety/enjoyment issue rather than a good stat to report to wall street.
I'm just in the camp I wish Vail would consider crowds especially on the trail as a safety/enjoyment issue rather than a good stat to report to wall street.
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The only person I rode a lift with today at attitash, which sucked, said he is fed up with Vail and showed me his brand new ikon pass. There's going to be a lot of that.
ctdubl07
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I guess as one of the few fans of Vails aggregation model, I did the opposite. I upgraded all 6 of our Epic "local" passes to top Epic for next season because I continue to appreciate the value and options presented.
We just came back from CB and while I was not a fan, I can certainly see why I would be in the minority on this forum. My 4 young kids had a blast knocking around off piste with an instructor we hired for the day. Being on a board, there was no way I was going to take the chance being unsure of myself on terrain I was unfamiliar with while chasing after 4 lunatics. Due to their years of programs, they are far better skiers than I am a 25 yr boarder.
Its easy to se why CB is a favorite of many serious skiers...its got a ton of xterrrain, a super mellow vibe and a legit cool town close by.
But if your not into the extreme stuff, IMO its no different than skiing say Killington or Sunday River...no long runs and a just a bunch of small satellite hill areas connected by green flats or cat tracks. I found the staff very friendly and seemingly happy. The demo/rental equipment were crap and I was surprised how small the base area was, both something Id expect to see at MS.
I did get a kick out of the many people I heard commenting to friends, "hey, Im heading in, its just to busy out here" and I chuckled, looking at 50 or so people in a line on a Saturday as I think back to a typical Sat at MS.
I can see many making the mistake that because your going West, its going to be this vast playground like Vail, Hev or PC with super nice amenities and developed base areas....thats my error. But the beauty of these passes is that it gives many of you on here an awesome option of serious terrain like CB or me, a place like BRidge that my whole family can enjoy for 4 days. To make it all work as we all expect (want) is near impossible. Its an imperfect model but Id argue were winning more often than losing (unless your in Vails NH) with an incredible range of options.
No one is wrong in what is the right mtn experience for them but I again am satisfied with what Vail provides for our needs.
Next year were thinking back to Heavenly and maybe a trip to check out Telluride plus my 15 yr old old is actually thinking about a job now....$20++ helping kids ski is allot better than the my first as a dish dog at Friendlys @ $5.50.
And no, not paid by Vail or a corporate plant.....
We just came back from CB and while I was not a fan, I can certainly see why I would be in the minority on this forum. My 4 young kids had a blast knocking around off piste with an instructor we hired for the day. Being on a board, there was no way I was going to take the chance being unsure of myself on terrain I was unfamiliar with while chasing after 4 lunatics. Due to their years of programs, they are far better skiers than I am a 25 yr boarder.
Its easy to se why CB is a favorite of many serious skiers...its got a ton of xterrrain, a super mellow vibe and a legit cool town close by.
But if your not into the extreme stuff, IMO its no different than skiing say Killington or Sunday River...no long runs and a just a bunch of small satellite hill areas connected by green flats or cat tracks. I found the staff very friendly and seemingly happy. The demo/rental equipment were crap and I was surprised how small the base area was, both something Id expect to see at MS.
I did get a kick out of the many people I heard commenting to friends, "hey, Im heading in, its just to busy out here" and I chuckled, looking at 50 or so people in a line on a Saturday as I think back to a typical Sat at MS.
I can see many making the mistake that because your going West, its going to be this vast playground like Vail, Hev or PC with super nice amenities and developed base areas....thats my error. But the beauty of these passes is that it gives many of you on here an awesome option of serious terrain like CB or me, a place like BRidge that my whole family can enjoy for 4 days. To make it all work as we all expect (want) is near impossible. Its an imperfect model but Id argue were winning more often than losing (unless your in Vails NH) with an incredible range of options.
No one is wrong in what is the right mtn experience for them but I again am satisfied with what Vail provides for our needs.
Next year were thinking back to Heavenly and maybe a trip to check out Telluride plus my 15 yr old old is actually thinking about a job now....$20++ helping kids ski is allot better than the my first as a dish dog at Friendlys @ $5.50.
And no, not paid by Vail or a corporate plant.....
Telluride is similar to cb but with longer runs. It may work just fine but take away the really steep stuff and it probably skis kinda small. Have you considered beaver creek?
ctdubl07
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Thanks for the response on Tride, that is good perspective.
Yes, we have been to BC a number of times, mostly because Eagle is super close and there are Marriott/Sheraton properties in Avon to blow points on. My wife and kids like the long runs, cookies and fairly empty trails vs V.
Check out this sign from the BCRC I took last Easter....I asked the attendant if it was real??..did people pay it? And he said "oh yeah, we keep raising price and still turn people away because we don't have enough spots"
Yes, we have been to BC a number of times, mostly because Eagle is super close and there are Marriott/Sheraton properties in Avon to blow points on. My wife and kids like the long runs, cookies and fairly empty trails vs V.
Check out this sign from the BCRC I took last Easter....I asked the attendant if it was real??..did people pay it? And he said "oh yeah, we keep raising price and still turn people away because we don't have enough spots"
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KustyTheKlown
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in the passes thread i just mentioned my friend who goes to his father in law's timeshare at beaver creek. its there at the ritz. they call it bachelor gulch. friend's wife's family has so much money its grotesque.
Meanwhile it appears that Crotched's social media presence has been reduced to cheap product placement:
KustyTheKlown
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not even the one true coca cola.
