VAIL SUCKS

[BodeMiller1]

Further,
You people from Vermont should be glad Vail is even here. All of the corporate stores are leaving your cities. You've got a couple of ski conglomerates willing to put up with your Socialist policy's and you whine and bitch. Let's face it when you've got blue tarps on your houses in the Kingdom there isn't enough cash in the state to keep the lifts turning much less making snow.

Happy Festivus

Your Buddy Bode

 

[raisingarizona]

It's interesting. While most people love to hate on Walmart, when push comes to shove, their prices are just too good to resist! Now just substitute Vail for Walmart in the sentence.

The Walton family donates ridiculous amounts of money towards conservation and mountain biking trails.

 

[urungus]

The Walton family donates ridiculous amounts of money towards conservation and mountain biking trails.

And write off every penny of it (meaning regular taxpayers like you or I have to pick up the slack), while also paying their employees so little that full time employees can’t afford to get by without government assistance, eg yours and my taxes.

 

[joshua segal]

The Walton family donates ridiculous amounts of money towards conservation and mountain biking trails.

Following presented without comment:
BROOMFIELD, Colo., Dec. 15, 2021 /PRNewswire/ -- Vail Resorts, Inc. (NYSE: MTN) today announced that Executive Chairperson Rob Katz has exercised stock appreciation rights (SARs), and will be making a charitable donation of 100% of the net proceeds he received. After withholding shares for payment of the exercise price and taxes, Katz received 98,209 shares of Vail Resorts stock from the SARs exercise. Based on the net proceeds from the sale of that stock, the donation is equal to approximately $32.5 million. Katz and his wife Elana Amsterdam, New York Times bestselling author and founder of Elana's Pantry, have now donated over $180 million over the past five years to their charitable trust and foundation, representing 100% of the proceeds from their sales of Vail Resorts stock.

In addition, Katz and Amsterdam, via their family's charitable trust, announced charitable grants totaling almost $4.9 million. Of that amount, $2.3 million will be granted to non-profit organizations that support mental and behavioral health in the mountain communities where Vail Resorts operates. The charitable trust also granted over $1 million to non-profits working to expand behavioral health equity to support communities of color in the Western U.S. and almost $1.5 million in grants to support organizations that help promote multiracial civic engagement across the country.

 

[thetrailboss]

Vail may suck, but they do have snowmaking on in southcentral PA before 12/1. This a rare treat that I wasn't expecting even with proper temps last night and tonight.

"Sing it brother!"

 

[thetrailboss]

Following presented without comment:
BROOMFIELD, Colo., Dec. 15, 2021 /PRNewswire/ -- Vail Resorts, Inc. (NYSE: MTN) today announced that Executive Chairperson Rob Katz has exercised stock appreciation rights (SARs), and will be making a charitable donation of 100% of the net proceeds he received. After withholding shares for payment of the exercise price and taxes, Katz received 98,209 shares of Vail Resorts stock from the SARs exercise. Based on the net proceeds from the sale of that stock, the donation is equal to approximately $32.5 million. Katz and his wife Elana Amsterdam, New York Times bestselling author and founder of Elana's Pantry, have now donated over $180 million over the past five years to their charitable trust and foundation, representing 100% of the proceeds from their sales of Vail Resorts stock.

In addition, Katz and Amsterdam, via their family's charitable trust, announced charitable grants totaling almost $4.9 million. Of that amount, $2.3 million will be granted to non-profit organizations that support mental and behavioral health in the mountain communities where Vail Resorts operates. The charitable trust also granted over $1 million to non-profits working to expand behavioral health equity to support communities of color in the Western U.S. and almost $1.5 million in grants to support organizations that help promote multiracial civic engagement across the country.

"I know, I am EPIC. I really am. EPIC guy of 2021 (TM)."

 

[raisingarizona]

And write off every penny of it (meaning regular taxpayers like you or I have to pick up the slack), while also paying their employees so little that full time employees can’t afford to get by without government assistance, eg yours and my taxes.

The trail building jobs they’ve helped develop that employee people like myself pay pretty darn good so I ain’t complaining

 

[SLyardsale]

It's interesting. While most people love to hate on Walmart, when push comes to shove, their prices are just too good to resist! Now just substitute Vail for Walmart in the sentence.

So now a Vail employee is comparing the US's top retailer to a 2nd rate ski area operator.

How about we compare how Sugarbush and Stratton are run compared to Wildcat and Attitash.

 

[Smellytele]

So now a Vail employee is comparing the US's top retailer to a 2nd rate ski area operator.

How about we compare how Sugarbush and Stratton are run compared to Wildcat and Attitash.

Sugarbush this year seems questionable per others

 

[snoseek]

Wildcat honestly seems to be running better this year. At least they're open. I'm happy that attitash got 2 lifts in 2 years as well. Lot of deferred maintenance there.

 

[thebigo]

So now a Vail employee is comparing the US's top retailer to a 2nd rate ski area operator.

How about we compare how Sugarbush and Stratton are run compared to Wildcat and Attitash.

Walmart is a necessary evil that many people are unfortunately forced to endure. Skiing is supposed to be enjoyable.

 

[doublediamond]

Only because Walmart forced local businesses out of business.

If Walmart had ethical prices and paid their workers ethical wages people wouldn’t be forced to deal with them.

 

[SLyardsale]

Only because Walmart forced local businesses out of business.

If Walmart had ethical prices and paid their workers ethical wages people wouldn’t be forced to deal with them.

So, if Vail in Oct 2022 says they will pay every walk up employee $20/hr - that is good, right ? (yes, I think it is)

If they then lay off a large number of those employees Feb 15 2023 or so, prior to the main Feb break, that is still good, right? Or not? (not me, that is BS for many reasons)

Keep in mind, it was a vail employee who brought walmart into the conversation.

Does vail pay ethical wages? IDK - feels bad to me - I think we'd all be better off if they paid the $20/hr, and kept those workers on thru the season and raised the Epic pass prices to support those workers instead of taking the $$ for the shareholders.

It seems to me, the vail employee who owns a ski on/off condo on MT thinks that vail/walmart are equally adequate at paying their staff. I just thought it was an apples and dump trucks comparison. Maybe it isn't.

 

[deadheadskier]

It's interesting. While most people love to hate on Walmart, when push comes to shove, their prices are just too good to resist! Now just substitute Vail for Walmart in the sentence.

Sure, but along the same analogy, I frequent Target far more often than Walmart for many reasons. I feel the stores are cleaner, the service better and many of the products of higher quality. If I end up paying slightly more for household type stuff like laundry detergent that might be on my list, so be it.

But Vail did rope me back in with the cheap day passes. IKon really doesn't offer a compelling product outside of their main passes.

 

[Edd]

Wildcat honestly seems to be running better this year. At least they're open. I'm happy that attitash got 2 lifts in 2 years as well. Lot of deferred maintenance there.

Here’s hoping they’ve turned a corner because I’d like to come back next year without holding my nose too much. Just run Wildcat 7 days a week like it was pre-Covid and I’m good.

 

[thetrailboss]

It's interesting. While most people love to hate on Walmart, when push comes to shove, their prices are just too good to resist! Now just substitute Vail for Walmart in the sentence.

You are assuming that the only thing people care about is price.

 

[zyk]

You are assuming that the only thing people care about is price.

Sometimes price is the important point. I shop Walmart for what I can't grow, hunt, forage, or buy local.

 

[BenedictGomez]

If Walmart had ethical prices and paid their workers ethical wages people wouldn’t be forced to deal with them.

This is an old, bogus, far-left, talking point.

Walmart pays in excess of the median US salary*, as well as paying decent healthcare & a 401k retirement plan. Sure, they may not be the landed gentry, but for many who hold these relatively non-skilled Walmart jobs, they'd have no realistic hope to make this much elsewhere.

https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/Walmart-Employee-Salary

 

[gittist]

You can only charge what the market will bear. Wait until April 2024 when the California fast food wage takes effect and see how many people are laid off, how many places close, and/or how many go to automation. Somewhere in the world there is a machine that makes ready to go hot pizza. Remember that the bottom of the labor market will always be the lowest paid jobs. Increasing their wages is only a short term benefit because the market will adjust and they'll be back on the bottom. If you can't live on what Walmart or McDonalds pays you, then you need to look at your spending or get a better job (career). Some lower labor market people are already at their maximum potential.... Maybe I should have stayed on the island digging clams for a living so I could whine about poor pitiful me.....

 

[ss20]

This is an old, bogus, far-left, talking point.

Walmart pays in excess of the median US salary*, as well as paying decent healthcare & a 401k retirement plan. Sure, they may not be the landed gentry, but for many who hold these relatively non-skilled Walmart jobs, they'd have no realistic hope to make this much elsewhere.

https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/Walmart-Employee-Salary

Yeah I too thought Walmart cleaned up a bit in regards to employee benefits. At one point I semi-seriously looked into becoming a part-time night stocker at a retailer during the pandemic to get out of the house and make some more $$... Walmart was the best choice at the time IIRC.