How is Belleayre operating minus

[threecy]

Did not ask you too.Someone said it i said prove it.

I was in operation/sales management at a mid-sized ski area, full time seasonal, part time year round. I made nowhere near 90K.

Those salaries are way out of line, especially considering they don't include the benefits (which are leaps and bounds ahead of what a typical private sector ski area employee earns).

 

[deadheadskier]

93K is the GMs salary yes?

I was privy to the books at Snowshoe in 2002. Much larger operation, but he made 115K.

 

[dmc]

93K is the GMs salary yes?

I guess that's what Tony is...

Tony deserves that much... He's done a great job.. I may not agree with all of it money-wise but he's got a good thing going for his cliental; He's a good guy. It's good that they keep him - he could go just about anywhere.

 

[MarkC]

Give aways where in place of avertising.Only have 25k budget for said avertising.
Hunter has give aways at local gas station.
Under cutting is what you say.Most say its a fair price for whats offered at mountain

$20 Wednesdays and $25 Fridays all season long is undercutting. Especially when they lowered the Friday price right after Plattekill decided to do $30 Fridays. Maybe they would not have to lay so many people off if they charged full price for a ticket.

 

[2knees]

this just got kicked up a notch.

 

[gmcunni]

ibtl

 

[Hawkshot99]

Ok $1 a guess on who the alter belongs to. Tomorrow Greg tells us who the IP address belongs to and the winner gets the pot?

 

[threecy]

I don't know if it helps, but I clicked the report post button. Ridiculous behavior.

 

[2knees]

ibtl

i refuse to learn text abbreviations and shit. could you just type what that means Gary?

 

[gmcunni]

i refuse to learn text abbreviations and shit. could you just type what that means Gary?

nothing profound - in before the lock

 

[deadheadskier]

Let's try and keep it civil.

And if that was an alias, the IP addresses will be searched in the morning and the regular forum member will be banned as well.

 

[dmc]

For all the Belleayre employees, local "extreme skiers" and ski reps joining this thread late with no context..

I am not happy that people lost their jobs. I have offered to assist in any way if needed, I help with Greene County charities and would assist with Ulster County as well..
I do question weather all of these jobs are needed in the form they exist in today
I support Tony Lanza and everything he's done to promote the mountain.(ie. RADEX Sports).
I do not support the free tickets and promotions that undercut other Catskill ski areas.
I enjoy Belleayre and have skied and snowboarded there.
I have enjoyed the late season riding there and have helped "kill the keg"
I support Belleayre during the summer by attending concerts.

And.. We have many mutual friends - let's stay civil

 

[UVSHTSTRM]

Can somebody, just give me the nuts n bolts of what happened, apparently I missed something. Just curious.

 

[dmc]

Can somebody, just give me the nuts n bolts of what happened, apparently I missed something. Just curious.

We had a person come on and create a derogatory username and a flame post.

I know who it is.

 

[2knees]

what's funny is you spew alot of crap DMC. You also cry when it comes back to roost.

 

[millerm277]

what's funny is you spew alot of crap DMC. You also cry when it comes back to roost.

To be fair, there is a difference between criticism of the points people are making and outright personal attacks.

He goes a bit far (sometimes too far) in the former and then the people who apparently can't figure out how to respond in kind go for the second instead. My take on it.

Back to our regularly scheduled debate over the obvious. :grin:

 

[catskills]

For all the Belleayre employees, local "extreme skiers" and ski reps joining this thread late with no context..

I am not happy that people lost their jobs. I have offered to assist in any way if needed, I help with Greene County charities and would assist with Ulster County as well..
I do question weather all of these jobs are needed in the form they exist in today
I support Tony Lanza and everything he's done to promote the mountain.(ie. RADEX Sports).
I do not support the free tickets and promotions that undercut other Catskill ski areas.
I enjoy Belleayre and have skied and snowboarded there.
I have enjoyed the late season riding there and have helped "kill the keg"
I support Belleayre during the summer by attending concerts.

And.. We have many mutual friends - let's stay civil

DMC my only issue with your post is when you said, " I have offered to assist in any way if needed, I help with Greene County charities and would assist with Ulster County as well.."

DMC its great that you donate to charities. I am not trying to be negative here. DMC you have to realize that predominately what people want are good jobs that pay enough for them to be self sufficient. Let me repeat that. Predominately what people want are good jobs that pay enough to be self sufficient. People do not want charity. They get depressed, and have all sorts of medical issues that follow when they have to accept charity. Keeping people working is very important for the USA. Having a strong productive middle class is what is needed in this country. Without it, we fail.

DMC I recommend you think about joining and volunteering in the Hunter Fire Department. I know they are in need of members. I think if you had some first hand experience responding to 911 calls in the middle of the night to help people and neighbors in the community, it might be a real learning experience for you. Just a thought.

 

[dmc]

DMC my only issue with your post is when you said, " I have offered to assist in any way if needed, I help with Greene County charities and would assist with Ulster County as well.."

DMC its great that you donate to charities. I am not trying to be negative here. DMC you have to realize that predominately what people want are good jobs that pay enough for them to be self sufficient. Let me repeat that. Predominately what people want are good jobs that pay enough to be self sufficient. People do not want charity. They get depressed, and have all sorts of medical issues that follow when they have to accept charity. Keeping people working is very important for the USA. Having a strong productive middle class is what is needed in this country. Without it, we fail.

DMC I recommend you think about joining and volunteering in the Hunter Fire Department. I know they are in need of members. I think if you had some first hand experience responding to 911 calls in the middle of the night to help people and neighbors in the community, it might be a real learning experience for you. Just a thought.

I don't have time with my job to volunteer for something like a fire dept. and people do accept charity. I can only help where I can.. And I will continue to do so.

I understand the issue.. I hope everything works out for the Belleayre folks..

Have a Merry Christmas and a good new Year..

 

[o3jeff]

DMC my only issue with your post is when you said, " I have offered to assist in any way if needed, I help with Greene County charities and would assist with Ulster County as well.."

DMC its great that you donate to charities. I am not trying to be negative here. DMC you have to realize that predominately what people want are good jobs that pay enough for them to be self sufficient. Let me repeat that. Predominately what people want are good jobs that pay enough to be self sufficient. People do not want charity. They get depressed, and have all sorts of medical issues that follow when they have to accept charity. Keeping people working is very important for the USA. Having a strong productive middle class is what is needed in this country. Without it, we fail.

DMC I recommend you think about joining and volunteering in the Hunter Fire Department. I know they are in need of members. I think if you had some first hand experience responding to 911 calls in the middle of the night to help people and neighbors in the community, it might be a real learning experience for you. Just a thought.

I just don't understand some peoples thinking. Would you start a business, employ more people than needed and pay them top wages and benefits and have no problem taking a loss every year? Doesn't sound like good business to me.

 

[skidbump]

I just don't understand some peoples thinking. Would you start a business, employ more people than needed and pay them top wages and benefits and have no problem taking a loss every year? Doesn't sound like good business to me.

In a nut shell .....Because they took the surrounding communities "4 or 5 towns" and made them into a NYC resevoir.
Belleayre mission statement

•To preserve and protect the environment
•To provide recreation
•To serve as an economic stimulus to the local region at no cost to the tax payer
•To serve as a model for future growth of other ski areas.

The Catskill Park is a mountainous region of public and private lands in Ulster, Greene, Delaware and Sullivan Counties - the "Forest Preserve" counties. 98 peaks over 3,000 feet form an impressive skyline. This special and often remote mountain landscape was only occasionally inhabited by native Americans. Later it was settled by the Dutch, English, Irish and Germans. It's rich history includes logging, bluestone quarrying, leather tanning, wintergreen and blueberry harvesting, trapping, fishing, mountain house tourism, railroads, and even World war II pilot training. Today, a balance between the hands of man and those of nature is returning. Nearly 60% of the lands in the Catskill Park are privately owned, the home of about 50,000 year-around residents; the rest is publicly owned "Forest Preserve".

Along with similar lands in the Adirondacks, the Catskill Forest Preserve was created in 1885 by an act of the New York State Legislature. Attempts to weaken the law that established the Preserve led the State to give it even stronger protection in 1894, when these now famous words were added to the New York State Constitution:
The lands of the state, now owned or hereafter acquired, constituting the forest preserve as now fixed by law, shall be forever kept as wild forest lands. They shall not be leased, sold or exchanged, or be taken by any corporation, public or private, nor shall the timber thereon be sold, removed or destroyed.
Since its creation in 1885, the Catskill Forest Preserve has grown from 434,000 to almost 3,000,000 acres.

I agree with DMC that there are to many fulltime yr round employees."i beleive that most were made fulltime 3 yrs ago"

I know you will all see 3rd on the list "•To serve as an economic stimulus to the local region at no cost to the tax payer" But i beleive most yrs its close to break even.

You will also not see 4th which i believe helped other surrounding ski areas"•To serve as a model for future growth of other ski areas"

So as a state run facility,it has pretty much lived upto its original mission statement.

I am finished with this.I started it on another thread with the info that was supplied to me
.
Prior to 12/1 mountain wasnt fully funded.

That included no paid or drastic reduction in
Ski instructors "think there were 4 on books prior to 12/1"
Ski patrol
on mountian programs"kids camp,work shops,freestyle,ect ect"
limited snow making "west side wasnt going to open"
seasonal ski employees
layoff of 48 of 55 fulltime yr round employees that were offered reduction in pay and reduction in hours.
Everything was restored except the layoffs by 12/2.

This has happened 3 times in last 5 or 6 yrs "except layoffs"

So merry christmas and happy new year

Pat