How is Belleayre operating minus

[mondeo]

Believe that was mostly due to improvements

He has gone from 75000 skier visits to 175000 skier visits..Thats one reason he has the job.

Cant find financials from prev yrs to say what average profit/loss was.

Increasing sales by selling at a loss isn't a very good business plan.

 

[oakapple]

Increasing sales by selling at a loss isn't a very good business plan.

It sometimes CAN be, if enough of those customers given free or heavily discounted lift tickets eventually come back and pay full price. I haven’t seen enough data posted here to say whether the business plan is good or bad.

 

[dmc]

Prove it

We don't need to... We aren't paying their salaries....

 

[dmc]

Believe that was mostly due to improvements

He has gone from 75000 skier visits to 175000 skier visits..Thats one reason he has the job.

Cant find financials from prev yrs to say what average profit/loss was.

by giving away tickets... And undercutting the other mountains ticket prices...

 

[dmc]

Says the person who earlier posted the baseless Belleayre is closing rumor.

he can no longer be trusted..

 

[gmcunni]

Belleayre has bumps

just wanted to share that and didn't want to start another Belleayre thread.

 

[catskillman]

Ski Lift Operator 1 $13.27 per hour
Ski School Instructor 1 $12.70 per hour

Instructors at Hunter start out at under $8 an hour. 50 cents more and hour for each certification level. $12.70 is more of a requested private lesson rate!!.

 

[skidbump]

How much was spent during that time? The state has spent millions of dollars on three brand new quad chairlifts in the past 12 years or so.

1 solid grip quad was sold to catamount and replaced a detachable
and there is 1 other solid grip quad

 

[skidbump]

We don't need to... We aren't paying their salaries....

Then you cant say its higher than other ski areas

 

[dmc]

Then you cant say its higher than other ski areas

It's none of my business what someone makes that works for a private company.. I know people that are highly placed at Hunter that don't make nearly that much.. But - It's not my business to divulge such info in detail.

I'm not going to expose someones personal business for a lame debate..

 

[skidbump]

by giving away tickets... And undercutting the other mountains ticket prices...

Give aways where in place of avertising.Only have 25k budget for said avertising.
Hunter has give aways at local gas station.
Under cutting is what you say.Most say its a fair price for whats offered at mountain

 

[dmc]

Give aways where in place of avertising.Only have 25k budget for said avertising.
Hunter has give aways at local gas station.
Under cutting is what you say.Most say its a fair price for whats offered at mountain

If Belleayre made a profit - I'd say go for it.. If I have to subsidize them I say stop it.... If Hunter thinks they can spare free tickets within their budget then I say go for it...

http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Blizzard-of-free-state-ski-lift-tickets-buries-867330.php

"Everyone does some free tickets, but our numbers are 20 percent of what Belleayre does," said Russ Coloton, president of Hunter Mountain Ski Bowl. "For a long time, the state has been buying business. If this was an international company, it would be called dumping."

According to Belleayre records, Belleayre gave away nearly 16,000 free tickets last year, out of about 169,000 skier visits, and posted a $1 million operating loss. The year before, Belleayre gave away about 16,700 free tickets out of 154,700 skier visits and posted a $76,000 operating loss.

About a half-hour away, at Windham, General Manager Tim Woods said it is unfair that he has competition "flooding the market with inexpensive product. They are showing an increase in skier visits because of this predatory pricing."

He noted that Belleayre also is charging significantly less for a lift ticket than either Windham or Hunter. Belleayre charges $54 for an adult weekend daily lift ticket. Windham and Hunter charge $68 and $65, respectively.

"I hope the state will take a look at this, in their quest to get us out of the financial situation that we are in. They should be looking at every avenue," Woods said.

 

[skidbump]

It's none of my business what someone makes that works for a private company.. I know people that are highly placed at Hunter that don't make nearly that much.. But - It's not my business to divulge such info in detail.

I'm not going to expose someones personal business for a lame debate..

Did not ask you too.Someone said it i said prove it.
And same is for skier count..Prove belleayre's skiers are from WIndham and Hunter.Since they are private there's no real proof that the skiers came from hunter and windham

 

[deadheadskier]

what's odd to me is seeing Bell increase skier visits last year by 10%, yet lose 13X as much money.

 

[skidbump]

If Belleayre made a profit - I'd say go for it.. If I have to subsidize them I say stop it.... If Hunter thinks they can spare free tickets within their budget then I say go for it...

http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Blizzard-of-free-state-ski-lift-tickets-buries-867330.php

Hunter says 20% but since its not a public company who's to say its not BS

 

[dmc]

Did not ask you too.Someone said it i said prove it.
And same is for skier count..Prove belleayre's skiers are from WIndham and Hunter.Since they are private there's no real proof that the skiers came from hunter and windham

Prove they are not - your the guy plastering the internet with BS... go for it...

in the meantime:

http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Blizzard-of-free-state-ski-lift-tickets-buries-867330.php

According to Belleayre records, Belleayre gave away nearly 16,000 free tickets last year, out of about 169,000 skier visits, and posted a $1 million operating loss. The year before, Belleayre gave away about 16,700 free tickets out of 154,700 skier visits and posted a $76,000 operating loss.

 

[dmc]

Did not ask you too.Someone said it i said prove it.
And same is for skier count..Prove belleayre's skiers are from WIndham and Hunter.Since they are private there's no real proof that the skiers came from hunter and windham

I don't need to prove anything to you - as I've said - you are not to be trusted with your "sky is falling" BS - every damn year...

It's unfair practice... and your mountain doesn't have to operate in a budget like the real world...

 

[Tin Woodsman]

Give aways where in place of avertising.Only have 25k budget for said avertising.
Hunter has give aways at local gas station.
Under cutting is what you say.Most say its a fair price for whats offered at mountain

I have a brilliant idea - maybe if the mountain's labor costs weren't so high due to featherbedding the payroll, they'd be able to spend the same amount of expense dollars, only with a much larger % directed for crazy things like advertising and marketing. Stick with me here, b/c I know it's a bit loony. From what I've read in books, when you dedicate money to advertising and marketing yourself, it often results in an increase in customer awareness, trial and adoption. In other words, when you get the word out, people tend to want to buy your product and you don't have to give it away for free anymore.

Genius!!

 

[dmc]

I have a brilliant idea - maybe if the mountain's labor costs weren't so high due to featherbedding the payroll, they'd be able to spend the same amount of expense dollars, only with a much larger % directed for crazy things like advertising and marketing. Stick with me here, b/c I know it's a bit loony. From what I've read in books, when you dedicate money to advertising and marketing yourself, it often results in an increase in customer awareness, trial and adoption. In other words, when you get the word out, people tend to want to buy your product and you don't have to give it away for free anymore.

Genius!!

Belleayre doesn't have to pay it's employees... The DEC does..

 

[threecy]

1 solid grip quad was sold to catamount and replaced a detachable
and there is 1 other solid grip quad

In 1999, two (2) brand new fixed grip quads were installed at Belleyare
In 2006, one (1) high speed detachable quad was installed at Belleayre and considered to be a brand new install. Some of the vintage (7 year old) components were reused (such as towers), however the bulk of the lift was brand new.