Permanent Industry Changes in the Post-COVID World

[deadheadskier]

He invented mRNA technology. Extremeley credible. Malone could have made tens or hundreds of millions to push the jabs like the Fauci's of the world.

How does that compare that the financial incentive for big pharma to promote lies to further a brand new Trillion dollar market? They can afford to hire armies of trolls to post bullshit, some on this site.

Sure he could have

Hey, did you also hear Betty White died from the booster shot?

 

[KustyTheKlown]

fuckin quack doc with a squarespace website with awful format and design.

 

[drjeff]

your point does not hold. the percent of african americans vaccinated is just below that of whites and hispanics. There is no significant difference but you can believe what you want to believe. The facts are that republicans, be they white, black hispanic, green or whatever, make up the lions share of the unvaccinated.

Respectfully, per that CDC graph I referenced about the race/ethnicity of those who have received vaccinations as of December 30th, 2021, the

fuckin quack doc with a squarespace website with awful format and design.

Here we go Kusty....

I was incorrect with what I posted earlier today. I made an assumption of the data (without CLOSELY looking at the labeling on each axis of the graph) based on intrinsic bias that I have acquired from the countless stories over the last year since the vaccines rolled out to the general public on NBC Nightly News that is on in my house most every night (true since I realized long ago that if I want to stay married to my strongly liberal leaning wife that that was the news show that was going to be on the TV as we're making dinner, and it has been that way for close to 15yrs) about vaccine inequity in African American communities that often have ties back to the Tuskegee airman syphilis experiments that the government ran on that community.

As I did already in this thread in an adult fashion, I quickly acknowledged that I was incorrect when it was pointed out.

Now let's just say that in the coming weeks/months you find out that a good deal of what Dr Malone is saying is indeed true. Will you be adult enough to admit you were wrong?

Since much of what is creating problems in this country now is stemmed in the inability for people of differing viewpoints to own when they might actually be incorrect (see my various posts about our leaders often putting their caucus before the country as a means to maintain power) I would hope that at somepoint via what often happens from more and more life experiences that age brings (but often we don't get when we're in our 20's and 30's) folks start to mellow and get that underneath it all while we may look a different on the outside, we're 99.999% the same on the inside.

 

[2Planker]

Our family has been torn apart by the politics of the whole thing..... 1/2 Vaxx'd, 1/2 No Way, Never

Now we have 2 very sick UnVaxx'd in the same household w/ 2 disabled people and my 85yo mother in law.
Complete Shit Show !!!

 

[drjeff]

Our family has been torn apart by the politics of the whole thing..... 1/2 Vaxx'd, 1/2 No Way, Never

Now we have 2 very sick UnVaxx'd in the same household w/ 2 disabled people and my 85yo mother in law.
Complete Shit Show !!!

Sorry to hear that.

The BS around this whole thing and how it's the source of so much fear porn and conspiracy theory crap from both sides is just atrocious.

Hope your sick family members get better and your healthy, at risk family members stay healthy.

 

[boston_e]

He invented mRNA technology.

No he didn’t. He may have done some research in the early stages of the technology but was not the inventor.

False: Dr. Robert Malone invented mRNA vaccines.

www.logically.ai

 

[icecoast1]

Will you be adult enough to admit you were wrong?

That side will never admit when they are wrong, the science will just "evolve" so they don't have to

 

[icecoast1]

Our family has been torn apart by the politics of the whole thing.....

No reason it has to be that way, whichever way you view things, but that's the sad state of affairs in our current world

 

[skiur]

If you can't separate politics from personal life then that's just kinda sad.

 

[abc]

That side will never admit when they are wrong, the science will just "evolve" so they don't have to

Science is indeed always "evolving". Would anyone who follow Newton's law have to "admit" he's wrong when Einstein came up with General Relativity? You know, they don't have to, they just "adapt".

On the "other side", we know a stopped clock can be "right" twice a day. It's just plain "wrong" the rest of the day.

 

[deadheadskier]

That side will never admit when they are wrong, the science will just "evolve" so they don't have to

No reason it has to be that way, whichever way you view things, but that's the sad state of affairs in our current world

Kind of amusing to read these two statements back to back.

 

[2Planker]

No reason it has to be that way, whichever way you view things, but that's the sad state of affairs in our current world

Very true. But the ones who were extremely vocal and political about it are now wishing they were not so...

PS remind me NEVER to go to a local community hospital, when you have several "Level 1" Academic Medical Centers w/ in 30 mins to choose from

 

[abc]

remind me NEVER to go to a local community hospital, when you have several "Level 1" Academic Medical Centers w/ in 30 mins to choose from

What's the difference?

Or rather, how do I tell the difference? (if I were to avoid one)

 

[Great Bear]

Our family has been torn apart by the politics of the whole thing..... 1/2 Vaxx'd, 1/2 No Way, Never

Now we have 2 very sick UnVaxx'd in the same household w/ 2 disabled people and my 85yo mother in law.
Complete Shit Show !!!

Sorry it is so contentious in your family. We had a smaller than typical xmas eve gathering and explained to the anti-vax / covid denier cousin / aunt that we were not comfortable having someone unvaxed and untested around my mid-80's folks. They were pissed but we politely held firm. I'm not sure if that qualifies as torn apart or not.

 

[abc]

Sorry it is so contentious in your family. We had a smaller than typical xmas eve gathering and explained to the anti-vax / covid denier cousin / aunt that we were not comfortable having someone unvaxed and untested around my mid-80's folks. They were pissed but we politely held firm. I'm not sure if that qualifies as torn apart or not.

I told one of my friend that I support his freedom of choice. But I would not share any small indoor space with him. He was disappointed but politely accepts the consequence of his decision.

Again, "I'm not sure if that qualifies as torn apart or not"

 

[Great Bear]

Today Rhode Island announced that Covid positive healthcare workers will be allowed to go back to work if staffing shortages require it.

Staffing shortages that would be 4% less if they didn’t fire those people.

Following Dr Jeff's lead, I'll admit that I had not seen this news about Rhode Island, and it appears that RI Dept of Public health has opened up this potential option under narrow circumstances (has to be asymptomatic, N95 mask, staffing needs to be at an otherwise crisis level, patients have to be notified etc). It is unclear if this has actually happened yet. It is also difficult to know what the true story is because when you google it, most of what comes up seems to be on far-right media channels and obviously very slanted.

With that said, I still fully support hospitals mandating the vaccine for their employees.

 

[SnowRock]

So a friend of mine has also been pushing this Dr. Malone stuff.. i told him I would look at his site with an open mind, but the challenge is that right out of the gates he is trying to claim singular credit as the original innovator of "mRNA and DNA vaccines" which is just not true. While there may sometimes be a "father/mother of" a particular therapeutic or vaccine modality, in this case if you were to credit anyone with that role it would be the duo of Kariko and Weissman. He absolutely played a role but claiming singular credit like that made me skeptical.

Later on it tries to suggest he invented the platform? But they don't really describe what that means.... I know he was not a seminal researcher on the delivery tech via LNP which was fundamental to establish the platform. A different group of scientist have already won a Nobel prize for that work.

Then I see he consistently calls the Vaccines, "Gene Therapy." Which is absolutely not true and used to purposefully to mislead the public about how the messenger RNA vax actually works in the body. The mRNA vaccines are not gene therapy full stop.

I'm sure none of this change anyone's mind on Malone... but do some research into how actual gene therapy works. Yes gene therapy can be delivered via viral vectors or lipid packages like vaccines, but the mRNA vaccines DO NOT alter your genes or replace a mutated gene with a functional one.

If he is being disingenuous about those things i can't really believe anything he says is credible.

 

[Andrew B.]

Following Dr Jeff's lead, I'll admit that I had not seen this news about Rhode Island, and it appears that RI Dept of Public health has opened up this potential option under narrow circumstances (has to be asymptomatic, N95 mask, staffing needs to be at an otherwise crisis level, patients have to be notified etc). It is unclear if this has actually happened yet. It is also difficult to know what the true story is because when you google it, most of what comes up seems to be on far-right media channels and obviously very slanted.

With that said, I still fully support hospitals mandating the vaccine for their employees.

No need to own up to anything, It happened just before I typed it. I got an alert on my phone from a local news feed. That’s why I clarified it, I wasn’t calling you out, I assumed you hadn’t seen it. I could have been clearer too.

It is odd that the it’s not being reported on other media outlets?

 

[machski]

It is also possible that that they're just at the beginning of becoming infective!

Throwing the baby out with the bath water?

Agreed, but everything is in play with folks who stay totally asymptomatic. No good answers here is my point.

 

[abc]

Agreed, but everything is in play with folks who stay totally asymptomatic. No good answers here is my point.

I agree on "no good answers". But there're however imperfect yet decent answers.

Reducing contact with KNOWN infected person is one such. Just because we don't know EVERYONE who might be infectious doesn't mean we should look the other way and ignore those who're known to be.