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VAIL SUCKS

thetrailboss

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I don't have a lot of days there... but there's a reason. It really doesn't feel like big mountain skiing. Lots of pod skiing with incredibly short verticals in each, half are under 1,000 vert. Zero lifts over 1,400 vert.

But I also wish Alta had another lift or 2 with 1,500+ vert. I love getting tram laps at the Bird! Runs go on forever!
Agreed. As I have said before, my perspective was set by Alta, the first place I skied in UT. Snowbird was second. Solitude is quite different from those two.
 

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Quietest area and best viz on 95% of powder days too. And the only area on the hill that you'll get a mid-day rope drop on a storm day.
That runout is murderous, especially on a stickier spring powder day.
 

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Solitude is Alterra.
Speaking of Alta, and Supreme.
Was out there a million years ago with some friends...2 weeks before my PSIA L3 exam. Spent an entire day lapping that lift, doing Christie 1s and Christie 2s, top to bottom. Yes, I looked stupid. About 3pm an Alta instructor comes up to me and essentially asks "WTF are you doing". I explain, rather sheepishly, my home brew exam prep. He laughs...and then spends the next 45 minutes helping me prep for the exam. Class act...and really helped my demos. Oh, yeah, I passed.
 

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Is Solitude owned by Vail?
Vail Sucks thread not everything in Utah is great thread.
Interesting fact. When Vail first took over Canyons, they were making a play for Solitude. They wanted to connect it to Canyons. The project was called Ski Link. Then Vail turned their focus to Park City and Deer Valley bought Solitude.
 

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Connecting all of those resorts would be a game changer, not only for SLC but potentially for the US ski industry. Silly that the NIMBYs killed it.

Then again vail probably wouldn't want it, so that would make them suck 🤪🤪🤪
 

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Interesting fact. When Vail first took over Canyons, they were making a play for Solitude. They wanted to connect it to Canyons. The project was called Ski Link. Then Vail turned their focus to Park City and Deer Valley bought Solitude.
Didn't Park City kind of fall into Vail's hands? Thought I remember a huge mistake by who ever owned them before that Vail took advantage of.
 

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Didn't Park City kind of fall into Vail's hands? Thought I remember a huge mistake by who ever owned them before that Vail took advantage of.
Yup, The Cumming family, who own Powdr and Snowbird, and at the time Park City mountain resort, forgot to submit by the deadline a note of intent to renew the lease for the land that essentially all the resort with the exception of the immediate base area was on, for the next 20 year period (I believe it was a 20yr lease if memory serves) for some ridiculously low amount for the 3000+ acres or so the lease covered. The lease holder, Talisker, had already had a good working relationship with Vail Resorts and were part of the development team developing the Canyons. Talisaker told the Cumming family that since the missed the lease intent to renew date, that the old terms were null and void and that if they wanted a new lease, it would be at current fair market value (the original elase was I believe for somewhere around 100k a year). Eventually Tailsker aligned with Vail, who acquired the rights to the leased land that most of the Park City Resort was on. The Cumming family lost in court and threatened to remove all of the infrastructure (lifts, mountain ops facilities, on mountain lodges, etc) from the leased land they no longer had rights to, and not give Vail rights to the main base area and parking lots for the Park City Resort. Anf eventually the Cumming family/Powdr and Vail reached an agreement and the connecting of the Canyons and Park City Mountain Resort happened
 

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Powdr deserves this. I have made numerous calendar appointments this morning and spent less than 5 minutes doing so. Literally by not doing this they gave away a flagship resort for pennies on the dollar for what it would've actually sold for.
 

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Is Solitude owned by Vail?
Vail Sucks thread not everything in Utah is great thread.
This is going to be one of the years where there's a snow drought out west and all North of Route 2 in Vermont New Hampshire and Maine will get pounded. I take back all I said about no avalanches in the North East.

 

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Trying to curse 24-25 already eh?
Only the West. The projected map shows warm in the East. So, I'm going against the grain. What am I basing it on. Not much...

What I do know is I will be at Sugar Bush North and South. Trying to on the hill and check it out before the snow flies. Also, want to hike Stowe and see where the NY kid froze. On a rare serious note - I don't believe in ghosts, goblins or gods. So, the idea of cursing anything is not on the table. In Vermont ... 8" +

 
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