Worst Ski Season Ever?

[gmcunni]

 

[deadheadskier]

I would completely disagree with that. 2003-2004 had some sloppy composition but the jamming was totally inspired. It ghost, it jim, tower jam, spac piper, spac twist, Coventry melt.

2009-present is so neutered and I got really turned off by shows with 30 plus songs, hardly ever jamming type2, and trey pushing the abort button whenever a jam started cooking. Yea there's been the occasional Tahoe tweezer or Randal's chalkdust, but overall phish has gotten so boring to me that I no longer go unless it's local and free, so about once a year at most.

For me it's been all about the biscuits since 2007. 2011-2013 were rough but they are back to full throttle lately

and I'll always love the dead and JRAD are making some reinvigorated gd music

I'm a 1.0 snob, jaded vet. Saw about 70 shows between 94 and 98. By 99 things were noticeably deteriorating both on stage (consistency - still many great shows), but more so in the crowd, so I only saw a few shows. You didn't see kids nodding off in the bathrooms with needles in their arms in the mid 90s. By 99 I saw it frequently and dropped out of the scene disgusted.

By 97 I was living in Burlington, my roommate was a minority owner at the original Higher Ground and I could walk down the street to see any show I wanted for $15 or less. Started getting more into smaller bands seeing tons of Percy Hill, Gray boy, Mule, Moe. , Slip, Disco Biscuits etc.

Skipped 2.0 all together and most of my tour buddies would either come home either psyched or really disappointed. It wasn't like that 94-98. Literally every show was at least very good if not exceptional during that era.

I've never really gotten back into Arena shows. I've got a great little club in town (the Stone Church) that always gets some good, young up and coming talent. Such a better experience.

I did see maybe ten Phish shows from 2009-2012 and had a few great nights, but more that were just good and a fun night out with friends. Actually going to Portland this summer as it's been so long. They'll probably kill it and I'll wonder why I didn't buy tickets to more shows. Then I'll see a local show and say screw arenas again and not bother for a couple years.

 

[from_the_NEK]

April 1? Come on, look at their webcams: http://www.mountsnow.com/our-media/live-cams/

The lateral melt is well underway. Might be able to piece something together at Carinthia by flattening some features...

Wow, that is thinnnnn for this time of year. Only trails that have had A LOT of snow made on them will make it through the next week.

 

[Pez]

I would completely disagree with that. 2003-2004 had some sloppy composition but the jamming was totally inspired. It ghost, it jim, tower jam, spac piper, spac twist, Coventry melt.

2009-present is so neutered and I got really turned off by shows with 30 plus songs, hardly ever jamming type2, and trey pushing the abort button whenever a jam started cooking. Yea there's been the occasional Tahoe tweezer or Randal's chalkdust, but overall phish has gotten so boring to me that I no longer go unless it's local and free, so about once a year at most.

For me it's been all about the biscuits since 2007. 2011-2013 were rough but they are back to full throttle lately

and I'll always love the dead and JRAD are making some reinvigorated gd music

Oh I hear where you are coming from, but I just never liked the sound they had from 03-04. I didn't know how to explain it. It just wasn't the Phish that I liked. Didn't like the new martial at that point either.


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[MarkC]

I seem to remember 01/02 to be particularly bad but not on this level

 

[BenedictGomez]

By 97 I was living in Burlington, my roommate was a minority owner at the original Higher Ground and I could walk down the street to see any show I wanted for $15 or less.

I used to go to that Higher Ground (near the Woolen Mill) back then whenever The Machine was in town. I figured it was the closest someone born too late would ever come to hearing the original Pink Floyd.

Funny, we lived in Burlington at the same time. South Willard street for me, a great location, far enough from Church Street that it wasn't obnoxious, but still close enough for stumbling distance. You?


Also, put me on the list of the Phish-haters who think they're horrible. I swear it's more of a lifestyle choice than a music choice.

 

[deadheadskier]

97 - East Ave
98 - 99 Orchard Terrace

04-05 - corner of Pearl and N Willard

And that's fine you don't like Phish's style. Not your thing

Guess you don't like Progressive Jazz, Traditional Blues, Bluegrass, Reggae, American Roots Rock and Psychedelic Rock and Roll. And that's just a small sample of the styles of music theyre proficient at. The band is not simply well versed, but virtuousos in all of those styles. Four of the most technically proficient and original composers of the past 50 years.

Waters and Gilmour would agree with me.

 

[BenedictGomez]

97 - East Ave
98 - 99 Orchard Terrace

04-05 - corner of Pearl and N Willard

I moved in 2003, but I went to a few parties in the house on that northwestern corner (Victorian with wrapping porch). Worked with a girl who was friends with a guy who lived there.

 

[deadheadskier]

Brick Victorian with Gold Trim?

I lived in the top floor 1 bedroom apartment and didn't co-mingle much with the kids living on the bottom floor apartments. That was my "you can't go home moment." I moved back there when i was 29-30 and done partying. Felt old as shit living in town. Such a difference from moving away when I was 24.

I left Burlington and VT after that and moved to Portland, ME, which felt much more "adult.".

Now at 40 when I visit Portland everyone looks like kids there too. Haha.

I guess that's what should be expected. The smaller cities like Portland have rents younger people can afford.

 

[STREETSKIER]

never got in deep this season


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[BenedictGomez]

Brick Victorian with Gold Trim?

I lived in the top floor 1 bedroom apartment and didn't co-mingle much with the kids living on the bottom floor apartments. That was my "you can't go home moment." I moved back there when i was 29-30 and done partying. Felt old as shit living in town. Such a difference from moving away when I was 24.

I think so? I just looked at GOOG street view, and it's the one with the circular turret room up top. I think I left Burlington at the perfect time re: age, though I didnt plan it that way, I left to get my masters. But yeah, I definitely realized the town was becoming played out in that you reach a certain age, and you dont want to be dodging puke piles on your walk home. IMO it's a very young college town, as college towns go. My last year or so there, I hardly even went downtown.

 

[crank]

This was the first and only season since I started skiing in my backyard in Poughkeepsie, NY when was 5 years old that I was living in the east and did not ski one day in the east.

Yes it WAS the worst ski season I can remember - ever.

Not a Phish fan though I respect their playing. Have seen Trey a few times. I have "Billy Breathes" and a 3 disk set of a live show. For me it boils down to their songs. There are only 2 or 3 that I actually like. I do love the song "Free" - great guitar!

 

[VTKilarney]

There is definitely an age by which you should leave Burlington. Especially if you went to school there. Frankly, as an adult, you might as well live in MA or southern NH since the sprawl in Burlington is just as bad.


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[Smellytele]

Not much of a Phish fan. It is the singing I do not like. The jamming is fine most of the time. I do like Progressive Jazz, Traditional Blues, Bluegrass, Reggae, American Roots Rock and Psychedelic Rock and Roll just not their take on it.

 

[deadheadskier]

Not much of a Phish fan. It is the singing I do not like. The jamming is fine most of the time. I do like Progressive Jazz, Traditional Blues, Bluegrass, Reggae, American Roots Rock and Psychedelic Rock and Roll just not their take on it.

And that's fine. I was mainly addressing BGs comments that Phish is about the lifestyle and not the music. That's a grossly inaccurate stereotype that demonstrates a fundamental lack of understanding about musical ability.

I don't expect everyone to love the band like I do, but most people I know who dig them do so because of their virtually limitless range in styles they can play. These are four masters, some of the most well studied and technically proficient musicians in the world. That's what I appreciate about them. The NY Philharmonic doesn't frequently collaborate with Trey because he's some hack who plays music to druggies chasing a lifestyle. They play with him because he's one of the best guitarists and composers in the world.

 

[witch hobble]

This thread drift is a bit like an improvisational jam band solo in the middle of a funeral dirge for the ski season.

 

[makimono]

This thread drift is a bit like an improvisational jam band solo in the middle of a funeral dirge for the ski season.

Hope you enjoy our new direction...

 

[The Sneak]

Yeah but the greatest rock and roll wasn't necessarily created by virtuosos:

MC5
Chuck Berry
Faces
Rolling Stones

Just saying...

And the same goes for roots music ...Flying Burrito Brothers, Gene Clark, Louvin Brothers



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[darent]

The Burritos, haven't heard them mentioned in eons, still have their vinyls!! how about Poco?

 

[AdironRider]

And that's fine. I was mainly addressing BGs comments that Phish is about the lifestyle and not the music. That's a grossly inaccurate stereotype that demonstrates a fundamental lack of understanding about musical ability.

I don't expect everyone to love the band like I do, but most people I know who dig them do so because of their virtually limitless range in styles they can play. These are four masters, some of the most well studied and technically proficient musicians in the world. That's what I appreciate about them. The NY Philharmonic doesn't frequently collaborate with Trey because he's some hack who plays music to druggies chasing a lifestyle. They play with him because he's one of the best guitarists and composers in the world.

I don't think anyone is discrediting their musical talent, despite your claims that they are apparently the best musicians in the world, which I think most would call embellishment. I can rattle off 5 bassists that most would consider more technically proficient than Mike Gordon, and they don't sexually assault minors either. But that is all subjective (well minus the assaults), just like opinions about Trey, or any of the other members. (FYI - Flea, Jon Entwistle, Victor Wooton, Les Claypool, Jon Paul Jones, and like 20 more if you want me to keep going). And please, Page McConnell and Jon Fishman as some of the best piano/keyboardists or drummers in the world? Don't confuse a band thats tight with all of them being the best in the business. They are a great band, but the sum of the whole is greater than the individual parts with Phish.

What isn't is that Phish, and the Dead before them, have fan bases that are almost exclusively chasing a lifestyle. Its a perfectly fine choice, but come on man, they aren't all Juliard grads following virtuosos in their prime. You said it yourself, kids are on benders at shows these days.