Whiteface: What else besides the Slides?

[ajl50]

Divide lift capacity by acres for a good measure of how crowded trails are on a weekend..

That's a stupid way to calc. how crowded the trails are. It doesn't take into account where lifts go, where the capacity is directed, how the trails funnel and how the lifts are spread out and who skis on the mountain.

 

[highpeaksdrifter]

When Greg started this thread I didn't expect it to have an 80+ post run. Cool.

 

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

I'm good for ratings on AlpineZone..O.K. we need a new thread..

Okemo vs Jackson Hole...ahahahahahahahahahahahaha

 

[L2RAFO]

When Greg started this thread I didn't expect it to have an 80+ post run. Cool.

Yes, I bet you've been getting more than your fair share of chuckles on the sidelines!

I'm done.

 

[kcyanks1]

Yes, I bet you've been getting more than your fair share of chuckles on the sidelines!

I'm done.

Sidelines?

 

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

Sidelines?

hahaha,,,,Greg gets high off da drama..ya kna mean..

 

[kcyanks1]

hahaha,,,,Greg gets high off da drama..ya kna mean..

I think the post I responded to was directed toward HPD, not Greg. (HPD had written about Greg, and then L2RAFO responded to HPD, and then I responded to L2RAFO.)

 

[skimore]

As far as comparison of conditions and snow amounts between WF and N VT, there is none. N VT blows WF away. The statement about if ain't open at Whiteface it isn't open any where is ridiculous.

I have skied WF about 60 times over the last 20 years and can count on one hand the number of times I came away saying that it was epic. We routinely pass up WF to drive another 2 hours to N VT where the conditions and options are consistently better. Quality days at WF are few and far between. How many trip reports do you see raving about the condition at Whiteface?

Here is link to some statistics from 82 to 2006/7 winter
http://www.bestsnow.net/eastnet.htm

Here is info from NOAA
Elevation of stations is similiar for Jay and LP

COOP Id 434189
WBAN Id 99999
Station Name JAY PEAK
State VT
Year 2007
Latitude 44.93
Longitude -72.51
Elevation 571.5 m.
January 32 in.
February 51 in.
March 65.5 in.
April 41 in.
May 0 in.
June No Data


COOP Id 435416
WBAN Id 99999
Station Name MT MANSFIELD
State VT
Year 2007
Latitude 44.53
Longitude -72.81
Elevation 1204 m.
January 41.5 in.
February 70.3 in.
March 37.5 in.
April 61 in.
May 0 in.
June No Data


COOP Id 304555
WBAN Id 99999
Station Name LAKE PLACID 2 S
State NY
Year 2007
Latitude 44.25
Longitude -73.98
Elevation 591.3 m.
January 12.5 in.
February 30 in.
March 24 in.
April 22.5 in.
May 0 in.

 

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

As far as comparison of conditions and snow amounts between WF and N VT, there is none. N VT blows WF away. The statement about if ain't open at Whiteface it isn't open any where is ridiculous.

I have skied WF about 60 times over the last 20 years and can count on one hand the number of times I came away saying that it was epic. We routinely pass up WF to drive another 2 hours to N VT where the conditions and options are consistently better. Quality days at WF are few and far between. How many trip reports do you see raving about the condition at Whiteface?

Here is link to some statistics from 82 to 2006/7 winter
http://www.bestsnow.net/eastnet.htm

Here is info from NOAA
Elevation of stations is similiar for Jay and LP

COOP Id 434189
WBAN Id 99999
Station Name JAY PEAK
State VT
Year 2007
Latitude 44.93
Longitude -72.51
Elevation 571.5 m.
January 32 in.
February 51 in.
March 65.5 in.
April 41 in.
May 0 in.
June No Data


COOP Id 435416
WBAN Id 99999
Station Name MT MANSFIELD
State VT
Year 2007
Latitude 44.53
Longitude -72.81
Elevation 1204 m.
January 41.5 in.
February 70.3 in.
March 37.5 in.
April 61 in.
May 0 in.
June No Data


COOP Id 304555
WBAN Id 99999
Station Name LAKE PLACID 2 S
State NY
Year 2007
Latitude 44.25
Longitude -73.98
Elevation 591.3 m.
January 12.5 in.
February 30 in.
March 24 in.
April 22.5 in.
May 0 in.

THANK YOU

 

[takeahike46er]

Nice try... but you just posted BS

Nice try! Why don't you try and enter the coordinates at topozone.com.

COOP Id 434189
WBAN Id 99999
Station Name JAY PEAK
State VT


COOP Id 435416
WBAN Id 99999
Station Name MT MANSFIELD
State VT


COOP Id 304555
WBAN Id 99999
Station Name LAKE PLACID 2 S
State NY

Note the crosshairs (those are where the stations are located). If you did you would notice that both the Mt. Mansfield station and the Jay Peak station are located ON MOUNTAIN. Curiously, the Lake Placid station is located near John Brown's farm (near the ski jumps) some 13 MILES FROM WHITEFACE. How is a station that doesn't get significant upslope snowfall because its in the middle of a freakin' valley going to represent what is occuring 13 miles away on one the high peaks? Your "stats" don't prove a thing.

I've pointed out the flaws of bestsnow.net before. This is a site that lists Whiteface's primary exposure as south. Anyone with a topomap could see otherwise.

 

[ComeBackMudPuddles]

Note the crosshairs (those are where the stations are located). If you did you would notice that both the Mt. Mansfield station and the Jay Peak station are located ON MOUNTAIN. Curiously, the Lake Placid station is located near John Brown's farm (near the ski jumps) some 13 MILES FROM WHITEFACE. How is a station that doesn't get significant upslope snowfall because its in the middle of a freakin' valley going to represent what is occuring 13 miles away on one the high peaks? Your "stats" don't prove a thing.

I've pointed out the flaws of bestsnow.net before. This is a site that lists Whiteface's primary exposure as south. Anyone with a topomap could see otherwise.

Great post. Thanks for taking the time.

I'd add, though, that the WF base lodge is at least 600 feet lower than that station. Anyway, Whiteface has tremendous vertical, so, what you see in the parking lot or on the web cam isn't representative of what's going on up the mountain where the real skiing is.

 

[skimore]

Nice try! Why don't you try and enter the coordinates at topozone.com.




Note the crosshairs (those are where the stations are located). If you did you would notice that both the Mt. Mansfield station and the Jay Peak station are located ON MOUNTAIN. Curiously, the Lake Placid station is located near John Brown's farm (near the ski jumps) some 13 MILES FROM WHITEFACE. How is a station that doesn't get significant upslope snowfall because its in the middle of a freakin' valley going to represent what is occuring 13 miles away on one the high peaks? Your "stats" don't prove a thing.

I've pointed out the flaws of bestsnow.net before. This is a site that lists Whiteface's primary exposure as south. Anyone with a topomap could see otherwise.

Yes it clearly states where it is located. Just using it as reference point in elevation. I don't believe there would be a significant difference in totals at that elevation at Whiteface.

Still, where are all the glowing reports from Whiteface about how great the conditions are?

 

[ComeBackMudPuddles]

I don't believe there would be a significant difference in totals at that elevation at Whiteface.

Well, I don't believe you know much about meteorology or geography.

 

[highpeaksdrifter]

Still, where are all the glowing reports from Whiteface about how great the conditions are?

One reason might be that most of us who post here about WF are regulars and it really isn't a trip to us, we're there every weekend.

Throughout the season I post pics I take on SKIADK and sometimes here. To write up the time I get there, the temp, the trails I ski, the conditions, break for lunch, when I quit and what I did after every weekend over and over would be boring for me and AZ readers

 

[highpeaksdrifter]

I'd just like to say that I hope TakeaHike never takes a hike away from AZ. He always has great stats that he can back up. :-D

 

[kcyanks1]

One reason might be that most of us who post here about WF are regulars and it really isn't a trip to us, we're there every weekend.

Throughout the season I post pics I take on SKIADK and sometimes here. To write up the time I get there, the temp, the trails I ski, the conditions, break for lunch, when I quit and what I did after every weekend over and over would be boring for me and AZ readers

It's always fun to read trip reports though. If I skied as much as you I doubt I'd do a report every time, but maybe every couple weeks? You can omit the lunch details if that makes it any better

 

[skimore]

One reason might be that most of us who post here about WF are regulars and it really isn't a trip to us, we're there every weekend.

Exactly....others who are looking for the best conditions/snow don't commit themselves to the same hill every weekend

There are just usually better options elsewhere

 

[skimore]

Well, I don't believe you know much about meteorology or geography.

You are correct.....but I do know I can consistently find better snow conditions elsewhere

 

[ComeBackMudPuddles]

You are correct.....but I do know I can consistently find better snow conditions elsewhere

OK, fine, please do. Congratulations.

 

[tjf67]

You are correct.....but I do know I can consistently find better snow conditions elsewhere

Yeah at Jay. Have at it.