Bumps vs. POW

[jack97]

officially hijacked!

hijack comin.

is that something you have to make prior arrangements for or does he offer those on a regular, daily basis?

also, what did it cost and what were your thoughts on it?

As mentioned in another post, email him or the ski school director. They can make arrangements on when he will be available. The cost is roughly the same as a private lesson from other places, charges by the hr and can go beyond 1hr. I signed up for two hrs and went on a weekday (Frid ?) so it doesn't feel rushed.

For me, the lesson was worth it. Evan showed me drills to get me centered on the ski and to flex the ankle. Then applying this, staying on center and flex to control the turns and being in position to make the turns. Powbmps had a lesson with him last season and he thought it was worth it also. I will go with another lesson sometime this season, just not sure when though.

 

[Creakyknees]

Test your skills

I first want to say is the reason I have no money is not because the economy is in the pooper it's because I spend many hours on this website I cant's get any work accomplished; great topics keep up the good work.

As for powder and bumps, bumps are much more difficult to learn. If you think you are good at all three, bumps, powder, and carving try and ski on annapurna at Hunter on 12" of powder over bulletproof ice moguls, this will test your skills. If not centered over your skis at all times you will be going for a ride. You get the resistance from the powder than soon as you go through someone's tracks you bottom out hit ice and accelerate it's a fine line between in control and out of control.

Why would someone want to ski on a 100mm wide (waist) ski in the powder you don't sink much, what's the point.

A good powder skier is someone who can ski their 66mm wide bump ski in 30" of powder.

I think a good size ski is 80mm wide (waist) for powder.

 

[JD]

Why would someone want to ski on a 100mm wide (waist) ski in the powder you don't sink much, what's the point.

Riiight. My skis are 110mm wide. You want wide skis so you don't botom out on the icy base and fly out of control. And more importantly, why would you ski some bumped up ice sheet if it just snowed a foot.

Honestly answer how many powder days you have spent on a ski with a 100+mm waist?

I spend plenty of time on my Alpinas with a 67mm waist, my Karhus with 100mm, and my Ravens with 110 mm, which areonly a 165cm ski. Fatter is better for deep pow.
I agree,
a good skier CAN ski anything on their skinny boards, just as a good biker can drop 15 feet on a fully rigid Mountain Bike, but just like a little suspension, fat skis make it more fun.

 

[BushMogulMaster]

Why would someone want to ski on a 100mm wide (waist) ski in the powder you don't sink much, what's the point.

A good powder skier is someone who can ski their 66mm wide bump ski in 30" of powder.

My sentiments exactly!

I don't ski on anything but my bump skis. This season I'll be on Hart F17s... 64mm under foot!

 

[JD]

My sentiments exactly!

I don't ski on anything but my bump skis. This season I'll be on Hart F17s... 64mm under foot!

And how many days have you spent on skis with 100+mm waist?
Also, you'll be feeling the bottom alot more then you have to, fat skis can make less snow ski like alot more....

 

[Greg]

Is the consensus that fat skis make skiing powder significantly easier, or at least more enjoyable for the average skier? Because I do not believe the same holds true for bump skis. And that's because bump skiing is more difficult. There are no shortcuts.

 

[riverc0il]

Which technique will make you a better skier?

Powder or bumps? Depends what you want to become "better" at. Skiing bumps will make you a better bump skier. Skiing powder will make you a better powder skier. Ripping groomers will make you a better carver. Skiing trees will make you a better tree skier. It seems too simplistic and self explanatory, but there it is. Skiing has many different techniques that will help you out in other areas, but won't make you a "better" skier because you need different skills in different situations that are not applicable else where. There is a different balance to each skill set.

Though there is one difference, skiing bumps in most cases will make your legs a lot stronger than skiing powder. I know from experience. Once I got a season pass at Jay, I felt my skills outside of powder decreased slightly because my strength had decreased and I no longer worked on hard pack skills.

 

[riverc0il]

Is the consensus that fat skis make skiing powder significantly easier, or at least more enjoyable for the average skier? Because I do not believe the same holds true for bump skis. And that's because bump skiing is more difficult. There are no shortcuts.

Would you say the reverse is true? That skiing bumps in powder skis makes it less enjoyable and harder? Could just be the matter of having the right tool for the job. Try telling someone who has never skied powder before that there are short cuts one they are knee deep in fresh at the top of the run. Been there, done that. Skiing powder for the first time really hurts like hell.

 

[Greg]

Would you say the reverse is true? That skiing bumps in powder skis makes it less enjoyable and harder? Could just be the matter of having the right tool for the job. Try telling someone who has never skied powder before that there are short cuts one they are knee deep in fresh at the top of the run. Been there, done that. Skiing powder for the first time really hurts like hell.

I think you missed my point. I do not believe bump skis make mogul skiing significantly easier for the average skier, while it seems like most people feel that fat skis make skiing powder a lot easier. I haven't skied a lot of powder, but enough to know it does not hurt as much as tweaking a knee and wrecking in some firm bumps.

 

[deadheadskier]

My sentiments exactly!

I don't ski on anything but my bump skis. This season I'll be on Hart F17s... 64mm under foot!

I can understand someone sticking to a bump ski as their only ski, if it's their 'only' ski. Choosing to ski powder on a bump ski when you have access to a wider board is just plain stupid. It's like racing slalom on a GS board or racing GS on a slalom board. You could do it, but why would you? It's like screwing in a phillips screw with a flat head driver.

Mind you, as long as they're soft bumps, I've got no problem taking my 110ish powder boards down them, but if my plan is to primarily ski bumps for the day, I'll be on my BX's, which are 72 under foot. If I plan on doing a bit of both, I'll be on my B2's...only an upgrade to 78, but much wider at the tips and tails.

 

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

I can't wait until there's enough Poe for my Nordica Blowers @ 110mm underfoot..and I plan on trying out some pontoons as the reverse camber assists float on more moderate pitches..JEA!!!!...

 

[deadheadskier]

I think you missed my point. I do not believe bump skis make mogul skiing significantly easier for the average skier, while it seems like most people feel that fat skis make skiing powder a lot easier.

I think that's a fair statement. The biggest advantages I notice when bringing out the Powder boards in deep snow is the float allows me to ski faster, turn a touch quicker, but most importantly....less fatigue.

 

[2knees]

not that it isnt fun, but you'll never get someone from one side of the fence to say the other aspect is more difficult. its just human nature. whatever that person enjoys is the baddest, hardest, most radical aspect of skiing known to man.

that being said, bumps are hands down far more difficult to learn and employ skills easily transferred to any and all other aspects of skiing. the reverse is simply misinformation and lies spread by skiers not skilled enough to kill it in the bumps.

how many gallons did i just pour on the fire?

 

[Creakyknees]

Riiight. My skis are 110mm wide. You want wide skis so you don't botom out on the icy base and fly out of control. And more importantly, why would you ski some bumped up ice sheet if it just snowed a foot.

Honestly answer how many powder days you have spent on a ski with a 100+mm waist?

I spend plenty of time on my Alpinas with a 67mm waist, my Karhus with 100mm, and my Ravens with 110 mm, which areonly a 165cm ski. Fatter is better for deep pow.
I agree,
a good skier CAN ski anything on their skinny boards, just as a good biker can drop 15 feet on a fully rigid Mountain Bike, but just like a little suspension, fat skis make it more fun.

First thing are you a tele or an alpine skier.

"why would you ski some bumped up ice sheet if it just snowed a foot."

I will take it you never skied Hunter before; the mountain opens at 8:30 (if the lift is actually working). The powder on the front side of the mountain will be tracked up just in time for the back side to open 9:30 - 10:00 that's why we ski Annapurna (on the back side) when it's icy, it's also a great trail.


"You want wide skis so you don't bottom out on the icy base and fly out of control."

When I am skiing deep powder 30" plus the base is just fine.


"Honestly answer how many powder days you have spent on a ski with a 100+mm waist?"

I know of two and I will say one day I did need a wide ski and this was the time of straight skis so I was on 201 cm ski. I was catskiing at ski cooper and it was heavy wet snow and sun baked.

I have skied many powder days out west epic days 36" plus and the widest ski I skied on was 80mm, can you say snorkel.

My wife a snowboarder would get very upset at my friends and I (all skiers) that we would talk about the face shots we got all day. She would say you guys are lying that it was not that deep. We explained to her that she is on a board so she will not sink as deep as a skier. She has now after 12 years of snowboarding become a skier.

"a good skier CAN ski anything on their skinny boards, just as a good biker can drop 15 feet on a fully rigid Mountain Bike, but just like a little suspension, fat skis make it more fun."

Hmmmm,,,,,,,,,, 80mm you will sink more = snow going over head = lots more fun than 110mm.

 

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

Why would someone want to ski on a 100mm wide (waist) ski in the powder you don't sink much, what's the point.

A good powder skier is someone who can ski their 66mm wide bump ski in 30" of powder.

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Sinking in means you kill alot of your speed..skiing through powder fast is fun..

 

[Greg]

that being said, bumps are hands down far more difficult to learn and employ skills easily transferred to any and all other aspects of skiing. the reverse is simply misinformation and lies spread by skiers not skilled enough to kill it in the bumps.

:lol:

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[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

Skiing bumps is harder than powder....I'm still humbled by tough bump runs but I really only flailed in powder the first few days...

 

[MadPadraic]

The FT's ski supplement this year had a great column by a guy who skied frequently in Europe but had never experienced light powder. He went to Utah, booked a lesson (as Europeans are want to do), and learned that his technique was terrible. He then decided he didn't want better technique and went back to having a great time with his poor technique.

It just so happens that I can ride powder well, but I loved his philosophy (especially since I suck on hard groomed surfaces).

 

[riverc0il]

I think you missed my point. I do not believe bump skis make mogul skiing significantly easier for the average skier, while it seems like most people feel that fat skis make skiing powder a lot easier. I haven't skied a lot of powder, but enough to know it does not hurt as much as tweaking a knee and wrecking in some firm bumps.

I got your point. But disagree somewhat. I think bumps have a bigger learning curve. But I think you are confusing having the right tool for the job with skiing a certain condition being easier. You can really wreck your knees in powder if you take a bad fall. The curve for bumps is certainly harder than powder. I just didn't see what fat skis and powder had much to do with anything. You put someone that has never skied powder on fat skis they are still going to suck and a pro can ski powder on fat skis though it might be harder. Reverse the width and same is true for bump skiing. It is just the learning curve that is different. Both different techniques that people really suck at when they first start learning regardless of ski width.

 

[JD]

First thing are you a tele or an alpine skier.

"why would you ski some bumped up ice sheet if it just snowed a foot."

I will take it you never skied Hunter before; the mountain opens at 8:30 (if the lift is actually working). The powder on the front side of the mountain will be tracked up just in time for the back side to open 9:30 - 10:00 that's why we ski Annapurna (on the back side) when it's icy, it's also a great trail.


"You want wide skis so you don't bottom out on the icy base and fly out of control."

When I am skiing deep powder 30" plus the base is just fine.


"Honestly answer how many powder days you have spent on a ski with a 100+mm waist?"

I know of two and I will say one day I did need a wide ski and this was the time of straight skis so I was on 201 cm ski. I was catskiing at ski cooper and it was heavy wet snow and sun baked.

I have skied many powder days out west epic days 36" plus and the widest ski I skied on was 80mm, can you say snorkel.

My wife a snowboarder would get very upset at my friends and I (all skiers) that we would talk about the face shots we got all day. She would say you guys are lying that it was not that deep. We explained to her that she is on a board so she will not sink as deep as a skier. She has now after 12 years of snowboarding become a skier.

"a good skier CAN ski anything on their skinny boards, just as a good biker can drop 15 feet on a fully rigid Mountain Bike, but just like a little suspension, fat skis make it more fun."

Hmmmm,,,,,,,,,, 80mm you will sink more = snow going over head = lots more fun than 110mm.

so the short answer is that you have never skiied a ski wider then 80mm.