Bumps vs. POW

[mondeo]

Ack! Why'd you go and delete all those masterful posts...? I was having fun at your expense. :lol:

Not only that, but this last page is now very confusing to those that didn't see the posts!

Actually, it just makes Greg look like he's responding to nothing, sort of looney-style. Continue on.

 

[Greg]

That being said, my guess is that the really good park rat types can still rip anywhere, there just aren't that many of them.

I'm going to guess Jarrod Moss is one of those guys. The guy styles the bumps. Never really seen him in the park.

 

[Greg]

Actually, it just makes Greg look like he's responding to nothing, sort of looney-style. Continue on.

Nothing new there...

 

[JD]

Short-radius turns are crucial to bump skiing for two main reasons. First, because the turns you will make in the bumps are short-radius, since 95% of the bumps you will encounter are relatively close together. They are certainly closer than would allow for a slalom or a typical carved alpine turn--which are cardinal sins in the bumps anyway.

Thus, you are engaging in a carved turn (albeit a mogul-specific turn).

I don't understand the difference.

Can someone post a video of proper bump skiing....I've read those post and realize there's alot more to it then I have been told....may even give them a try next time I'm on the lifts....but I don't think I've ever seen someone not skid the backside vs carve the backside of a bump.....watching helps me understand alot more then reading, although I found BMM links informative.

 

[JD]

Yes, behind a boat......


This is why we use snow skis to ski powder not waterskis; keep it under 90mm to have fun....

So in other words, you have absolutely no experience and therefore I find your opinion not very meaningful on the topic. Thanks for being honest.

 

[Creakyknees]

So in other words, you have absolutely no experience and therefore I find your opinion not very meaningful on the topic. Thanks for being honest.

I have no experiance shooting myself in the foot, I can tell you it will hurt.

Did you read the post I have used wide skis (100mm) two times.

 

[deadheadskier]

I have no experiance shooting myself in the foot, I can tell you it will hurt.

Did you read the post I have used wide skis (100mm) two times.

I think two times is a bit small of a sample size.

 

[Creakyknees]

So in other words, you have absolutely no experience and therefore I find your opinion not very meaningful on the topic. Thanks for being honest.

I just took note on the answer you gave me, you are a tele skier. How could you possible give an opinion on skiing powder on alpine gear. I will assume on tele gear you do not want to sink as much if you are on alpine gear. This could be me but as you go into a turn on tele gear isn't your head (face) closer to the ground than it would be on alpine gear giving you many more face shots.

Yes, you do carve on the backside of a mogul.

Anyone chime in.

 

[jaywbigred]

Ask yourself this: of these "disciplines", bumps, pow, and carving...

...which requires the highest degree of athleticism?

 

[SkiDork]

Ask yourself this: of these "disciplines", bumps, pow, and carving...

...which requires the highest degree of athleticism?

thats an easy one...

 

[deadheadskier]

thats an easy one...

I disagree that's it's easy. Easy if you post a picture of one of the world's best bumpers, but you'd also have to look at someone skiing a 50 degree line in Alaska hucking a 40 footer in powder or someone downhill racing at 75 miles and hour.

I don't know if they still have this competition, but I remember several years back an iron man of sorts competition measuring overall athletic ability of professional athletes from different sports; track, football, basketball, skiing, a number of different things. Herman Maier was always one of the top finishers.

 

[SkiDork]

I disagree that's it's easy. Easy if you post a picture of one of the world's best bumpers, but you'd also have to look at someone skiing a 50 degree line in Alaska hucking a 40 footer in powder or someone downhill racing at 75 miles and hour.

I don't know if they still have this competition, but I remember several years back an iron man of sorts competition measuring overall athletic ability of professional athletes from different sports; track, football, basketball, skiing, a number of different things. Herman Maier was always one of the top finishers.

I didn't know Big Mountain extreme skiing was part of this. That certainly requires a great deal of athleticism

 

[tjf67]

Completely disagree. Listen to a non-bumper who can survive in bumps try to teach someone who can't survive in the bumps. Generally speaking, they have no clue how bumps need to be skied in order to look good. Maybe we have different definitions of what looking good in the bumps means. To me, looking ok means skiing the fall line smoothly. To look fine you need to start having some decent A&E and keep your upper body pointed downhill, to look good requires a quiet upper body. I see very, very few people that aren't bump skiers even start to ski the fall line, let alone start to refine their bump technique.

But back to the original question: to me it's like asking who the better racer is, someone in MotoGP, NASCAR, or F1. You'd probably get just as heated a discussion amongst gear heads, but you're still comparing things that aren't quite comparable. There are some fundamentals that are common to all types of skiing, but once you go into specifics, I don't think mastering one discipline over another gives you any real benefit elsewhere on the mountain. If your concern is being a good all mountain skier, the only real answer is to ski the entire mountain. Beyond that, a masterful pow or bump skier will probably do just fine anywhere else on the hill, partially because no one that's that dedicated to skiing will only spend enough time on one aspect to be that specialized. I mean, watch a Warren Miller movie where they take Bodie Miller or Toby Dawson to Alaska. They still rip even though they're way outside their element.

IMO people look good in bumps if they can control there speed faster or slower. They should be able to ski down a 10 yard wide path without going outside of the line.
That is ALL. If they can do that they look compitent.

 

[jaywbigred]

Well on the athleticism question, I am not talking about taking samples from the absolute top performers in the world at each discipline. Obviously, to be a world class big mountain skier, World Cup racer, or olympic level bumper, you have to be a genetically gifted athlete.

But I think at the recreational level, there is a degree of athleticism required of bump skiers that is missing from straight carving and from floating in pow.

Caveat 1: Skiing tight E.C. trees requiers plenty of athleticism. I am talking more about pow skiing in bowls/above tree line.

Caveat 2: Tele-turns obviously require a high degree of athleticism, so I am not including them here either...

 

[deadheadskier]

I didn't know Big Mountain extreme skiing was part of this. That certainly requires a great deal of athleticism

I didn't know competition level inverts were part of the discussion when skiing bumps.

Guess I'm just saying there are numerous factors of athleticism to look at when trying to compare bumpers, powder skiers and carvers; and the only way to compare apples to apples is to look at the most accomplished skiers and the feats that they accomplish at the highest levels.....what your picture shows.

 

[bvibert]

to me it's like asking who the better racer is, someone in MotoGP, NASCAR, or F1

The only answer is WRC.

 

[SkiDork]

I didn't know competition level inverts were part of the discussion when skiing bumps.

Guess I'm just saying there are numerous factors of athleticism to look at when trying to compare bumpers, powder skiers and carvers; and the only way to compare apples to apples is to look at the most accomplished skiers and the feats that they accomplish at the highest levels.....what your picture shows.

The pic was a poor choice, I only selected it because it looked cool. My bad...

 

[Greg]

Can someone post a video of proper bump skiing.

Despite majority opinion, I really don't feel there is "proper" bump skiing. If you're in control and can ski bumps with decent speed and style, I consider you a good bumper. However, most people strive to emulate world cup bump skiing since that looks the most rad. And don't let any bump skier try to tell you that it's not about looking good because it is. A bit pretentious? Perhaps. Skiing bumps well takes a lot of time and dedication. Getting some praise from your "audience" is always encouraging.

Anyway, here are a few vids of a couple of the top world cup bump skiers:

Dale Begg-Smith:


Patrick Deneen:


Very few will acheive that level. I certainly won't. As far as AZers I've skied with, the top two bumpers in my mind are 180 and powbmps:

180 (green pants)

(starting at 1:31, 2:06, 2:28, 3:00 and 3:48)

powbmps (red pants)

(starting at 0:08, 1:31 and 2:44)

The bump scene on a warm and sunny spring day is only beat by a powder day for me.

 

[deadheadskier]

But I think at the recreational level, there is a degree of athleticism required of bump skiers that is missing from straight carving and from floating in pow.

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I disagree, athleticism has too loose of a definition to pigeon hole one discipline of skiing over another as requiring greater athletic ability. Furthermore, I've known plenty of GREAT skiers in my life who excel in all conditions, but wouldn't fall under traditional definitions of athletes. I consider myself an advanced skier, but I'm hardly an athlete. I can't run or jump a lick, I'm not very strong, I throw like a girl, have a substantial beer gut :lol: etc, etc.

 

[deadheadskier]

Despite majority opinion, I really don't feel there is "proper" bump skiing. If you're in control and can ski bumps with decent speed and style, I consider you a good bumper. However, most people strive to emulate world cup bump skiing since that looks the most rad. .

Agreed

....though I actually prefer the more Old School style with less ski contact on the the snow to today's more 'turny' style with skis maintaining more contact. I would call 2knees style as more Old School like the man

Edgar Grospiron

http://video.google.com/videosearch...-8&rlz=1B3GGIC_enUS275US275&um=1&sa=N&tab=wv#